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flyquiet has graciously commenced with a compilation of recent data points with regard to the most recent targeted status buy up offer.

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Please post your data point offer below, as per the headings, and the comma delimiter.

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From AQM AQS AQD Offer Post#
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75k105% uns 88% 2499 N/A
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75K 70% 79% 125% no 238
 75K 76% uns 55% no 229
 75K 105% uns 53% no 210
 75K 116% uns 75% no 252
 75K 84% uns 47% no 254
 75K (unclear if given 50K or 75K, 64%, uns, 126%, no, 255
 75K uns 89% 85% 1599 129/162
 75K 81% 48% 92% 1299 151/160
 75k 83% uns 81% no 295
 50K 62% 88% 100% no 319
 50K 73% 41% 116% no 289
 50K 96% 74% 106% 899 266
 50K 80% uns 178% no 232
 50K uns uns uns 899 193
 35K 93% 46% 160% 899 125
 35K 88% 46% 133% 899 230
 35K 99% uns "enough", 799, 253
 35K 72% 31% 100% no ---
 35K 70% uns 100% no 181
 35K 61% 88% 264% 899 309
 25K 91% uns 150% 599 287
 25K uns 94% uns 599 123
 25K 71% 74% 200% no 195
 AC*A uns uns uns 499 127
 AC*A 79% 16% 104% 499 257
 AC*A 92% uns 87% 144
 AC*A 41% 8% 191% 399 258
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Old Dec 4, 16, 1:04 pm
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I believe what AC is trying to do is to be fair. Yes, fair.
Here's why; There will be a number of people who will drop down or just miss reaching a coveted tier status because of the changes to status this year. This option, if it happens, will allow some of the people who missed out, to reclaim status.

It is not as if this sort of option unknown, is it? One of the best options for a 50K elite is that of being able to requalify at 45K at no additional cost. Pretty good deal on that, and I would say the best option available, and yet no one here comes up with convoluted theories to explain why it is granted. What the airline is trying to do is to differentiate its service levels between the infrequent and the frequent flyers. The granting of status perks isn't so much about perks, but is a way of trying to maintain a level of service for regular customers. The couple who purchased the $649 fare to Santa Banana would have picked SunWing or Air Transat or West Jet if the option was cheaper or if the service was available on the other carrier. There is no loyalty with the infrequent flyers.

Anyway, I will wait and see how this develops, but IMO it is an attempt to please the marginal FFs and as pointed out elsewhere, to monetize the status tiers.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer View Post
It is not as if this sort of option unknown, is it? One of the best options for a 50K elite is that of being able to requalify at 45K at no additional cost. Pretty good deal on that, and I would say the best option available, and yet no one here comes up with convoluted theories to explain why it is granted.
So I've been pretty vocal on FT about the value of that benefit. It's saved me in both 2014 and 2015 when my kids were born and kept me spending money with AC because I had E50 status despite not crossing 50,000 AQM. But let's not kid ourselves; the reason AC offers the lower qualification level is because they decided to stop offering free status miles as an option. Those were valuable!
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Old Dec 4, 16, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by SparseFlyer View Post
I agree with Adam. It doesn't seem to add up much. Especially for SE.

Like, if AC won't comp up to SE someone that has 99,000 AQM and $19,900 AQD, why sell the status for $1,000 to someone that is at 76,000 AQM and $9,100 AQD?
The simple and pretty obvious way to deal with this is to charge per mile missing to the next status.

People do mileage runs. Wouldn't it be better for everyone just to apy AC instead? You are missing $1000 in AQDs, they charge you $500. Everyone is happy.

Of course if you got 100k miles but only 10k AQDs you may hesitate farming out $5l.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by MasterGeek View Post
Wish they let people buy status with Aeroplan miles or eearn AQM/AQM using CC spending
There is a way to do this, use your credit card to purchase a six month unlimited flight pass - boom! - SE granted to you within a couple of weeks. You'll get 20,000 AQM per month and whatever the AQD is for the FP purchased.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 3:35 pm
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I've had paid a reasonable amount to get to E35 last year. I missed out just on AC metal so I wonder how that would impact things because I more than exceeded the overall mileage requirement around the 44k mark.

Now we have AQD and AQM and AQS, what happens if you're $2,000 short but 5 miles short? Or like the previous thread what if you spent $60,000 and flew under $100k/100 AQS, maybe you can now pay $5k to make it to SE100.

I would imagine, that the prices will be insanely high (if it happens at all, I've not seen an actual release about it) AND it'll be capped to one level. You can go from E50 to E75 but not to SE100.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by MasterGeek View Post
Wish they let people buy status with Aeroplan miles or eearn AQM/AQM using CC spending
Why? Buying up to the next tier is one thing, but purchasing status outright is quite another.

Airline status is only useful if you're flying. If someone isn't flying enough to earn the status, then why would they pay (miles or cash) for it?

The only situation I can think of, would be a fairly regular flyer who is temporarily not flying, and would want to maintain the status before resuming regular flying again.

Many of the benefits you get from *G can be had by spending about $500 on a premium credit card. Surely that would be a much cheaper investment than the massive number of Aeroplan miles AC would likely ask if they were to actually sell the status outright.

But if you just want to buy status, Avianca will sell you *G for about CAD$3,250. I can think of better uses for that cash.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left View Post
It's MATH TIME - Guesstimate Edition

OK, so let's use a 789 as an example.
30 J

1. Can anyone guesstimate how many of those 30 are actually sold?
2. Can anyone guess how many pax are willing to bid for some J seats?
3. Can anyone guess how many will still spend for a LMU if that's even available?
4. Can anyone guess if there will be any seats left for eUpgrades, which Altitude members received for flying a certain amount of miles and/or as select privileges?
5. If the assumed objective over at AC was to reduce the numbers of SEs by eliminating those who used to fly 100K for $500, what would the objective be in providing the option for 25K and 35K to buy up to a higher Altitude level - other than giving AC another stream of ancillary revenue?
6. If so, then why not offer 50K the chance for 75K, 75K the chance for 100K and oh maybe have 150K as the new 100K?

.......
You would have to pick a routing first. I would say some routes maybe 5% are paid J, not counting international connection. Other routes could be around 80%.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 5:12 pm
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Originally Posted by CanadaDH View Post
Why? Buying up to the next tier is one thing, but purchasing status outright is quite another.

Airline status is only useful if you're flying. If someone isn't flying enough to earn the status, then why would they pay (miles or cash) for it?

The only situation I can think of, would be a fairly regular flyer who is temporarily not flying, and would want to maintain the status before resuming regular flying again.

Many of the benefits you get from *G can be had by spending about $500 on a premium credit card. Surely that would be a much cheaper investment than the massive number of Aeroplan miles AC would likely ask if they were to actually sell the status outright.

But if you just want to buy status, Avianca will sell you *G for about CAD$3,250. I can think of better uses for that cash.
What ever the consumer's reason for buying status, now it is an option. Lots of people buy lots of things they don't need, or ignorantly (even irrationally) spend money. I applaud AC for capturing some of that. Not sure about the pricepoints, but they can tweak that over time, or even open it up for bidding!

What a concept eh? Only so many seats left in E50k for next year yo! Bid now to join the elegant ranks of 31337 sexy fliers! Fly in Styo!
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Old Dec 4, 16, 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever View Post
So I hear AC is going to let select 25k and 35k buy up to the next status level (25k-->35k, 35k-->50k), I kind of like this idea!

Do you have any basis to make this statement, or is this in the spirit of the new 2017 in which fake news, innuendo, rumour and rumour of rumours is now considered fact?

I think it's a fair question. No offense meant.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by DrunkCargo View Post
I thought this was clear in the other thread.

Taking time to prepare the bullets so the trigger is effective. I have nothing new to share here (or in the other thread) at the moment.

I'm just glad the buying thing stops at 50k. =)
Who said it's stopping at E50K?
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Old Dec 4, 16, 6:25 pm
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Originally Posted by InTheAirGuy View Post
Do you have any basis to make this statement, or is this in the spirit of the new 2017 in which fake news, innuendo, rumour and rumour of rumours is now considered fact?

I think it's a fair question. No offense meant.
Would you perhaps be willing to place a wager on what the OP said?
No strings (or threads) attached.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 6:35 pm
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Originally Posted by InTheAirGuy View Post
Do you have any basis to make this statement, or is this in the spirit of the new 2017 in which fake news, innuendo, rumour and rumour of rumours is now considered fact?

I think it's a fair question. No offense meant.
I'm sure some have access to leakage. I mean, it's an obvious next step anyhow for AC... of greater curiosity would be, why did it take them so long to catch up to US Air...

Oooooo! Could even trade on this information!!! Did you not see that uptick on Friday?
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Old Dec 4, 16, 9:00 pm
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Smart move by AC, and don't mind so long as SE isn't included (or is super pricey). All the US airlines do it and its good business.

Now just waiting for the AP decision for an AC AQD CC waiver / reduction.
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Old Dec 5, 16, 3:20 am
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Why is everyone saying SE should not be included? Or it it simply NIMBYism?
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Old Dec 5, 16, 6:27 am
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Why is everyone saying SE should not be included? Or it it simply NIMBYism?
I don't associate with the ranks of SE, so it's not NIMBY here.
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