Mar 14, 2017, 10:43 pm
Last edit by: jayman
flyquiet has graciously commenced with a compilation of recent data points with regard to the most recent targeted status buy up offer.
Your contributions to this wiki are greatly appreciated!
Please post your data point offer below, as per the headings, and the comma delimiter.
If someone would like to improve the formatting style, be my guest.
* Note that the first version of this wiki is based on flyquiet's post, #250.
* if you are not eligible to contribute to the wiki, just say so you in your post and we will do it for you.
- yyznomad
Your contributions to this wiki are greatly appreciated!
Please post your data point offer below, as per the headings, and the comma delimiter.
If someone would like to improve the formatting style, be my guest.
* Note that the first version of this wiki is based on flyquiet's post, #250.
* if you are not eligible to contribute to the wiki, just say so you in your post and we will do it for you.
- yyznomad
Code:
From AQM AQS AQD Offer Post#
Code:
75k105% uns 88% 2499 N/A
Code:
75K 70% 79% 125% no 238 75K 76% uns 55% no 229 75K 105% uns 53% no 210 75K 116% uns 75% no 252 75K 84% uns 47% no 254 75K (unclear if given 50K or 75K, 64%, uns, 126%, no, 255 75K uns 89% 85% 1599 129/162 75K 81% 48% 92% 1299 151/160 75k 83% uns 81% no 295 50K 62% 88% 100% no 319 50K 73% 41% 116% no 289 50K 96% 74% 106% 899 266 50K 80% uns 178% no 232 50K uns uns uns 899 193 35K 93% 46% 160% 899 125 35K 88% 46% 133% 899 230 35K 99% uns "enough", 799, 253 35K 72% 31% 100% no --- 35K 70% uns 100% no 181 35K 61% 88% 264% 899 309 25K 91% uns 150% 599 287 25K uns 94% uns 599 123 25K 71% 74% 200% no 195 AC*A uns uns uns 499 127 AC*A 79% 16% 104% 499 257 AC*A 92% uns 87% 144 AC*A 41% 8% 191% 399 258
AC to allow status buy-up
Dec 4, 2016, 1:04 pm
#16
Join Date: May 2012
Location: BKK/SIN/YYZ/YUL
Programs: DL, AC, Bonvoy, Accor, Hilton
Posts: 2,917
I believe what AC is trying to do is to be fair. Yes, fair.
Here's why; There will be a number of people who will drop down or just miss reaching a coveted tier status because of the changes to status this year. This option, if it happens, will allow some of the people who missed out, to reclaim status.
It is not as if this sort of option unknown, is it? One of the best options for a 50K elite is that of being able to requalify at 45K at no additional cost. Pretty good deal on that, and I would say the best option available, and yet no one here comes up with convoluted theories to explain why it is granted. What the airline is trying to do is to differentiate its service levels between the infrequent and the frequent flyers. The granting of status perks isn't so much about perks, but is a way of trying to maintain a level of service for regular customers. The couple who purchased the $649 fare to Santa Banana would have picked SunWing or Air Transat or West Jet if the option was cheaper or if the service was available on the other carrier. There is no loyalty with the infrequent flyers.
Anyway, I will wait and see how this develops, but IMO it is an attempt to please the marginal FFs and as pointed out elsewhere, to monetize the status tiers.
Here's why; There will be a number of people who will drop down or just miss reaching a coveted tier status because of the changes to status this year. This option, if it happens, will allow some of the people who missed out, to reclaim status.
It is not as if this sort of option unknown, is it? One of the best options for a 50K elite is that of being able to requalify at 45K at no additional cost. Pretty good deal on that, and I would say the best option available, and yet no one here comes up with convoluted theories to explain why it is granted. What the airline is trying to do is to differentiate its service levels between the infrequent and the frequent flyers. The granting of status perks isn't so much about perks, but is a way of trying to maintain a level of service for regular customers. The couple who purchased the $649 fare to Santa Banana would have picked SunWing or Air Transat or West Jet if the option was cheaper or if the service was available on the other carrier. There is no loyalty with the infrequent flyers.
Anyway, I will wait and see how this develops, but IMO it is an attempt to please the marginal FFs and as pointed out elsewhere, to monetize the status tiers.
Dec 4, 2016, 1:08 pm
#17
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: YUL
Programs: AC SE (*A Gold), Bonvoy Platinum Elite, Hilton Gold, Amex Platinum / AP Reserve, NEXUS, Global Entry
Posts: 5,691
It is not as if this sort of option unknown, is it? One of the best options for a 50K elite is that of being able to requalify at 45K at no additional cost. Pretty good deal on that, and I would say the best option available, and yet no one here comes up with convoluted theories to explain why it is granted.
Dec 4, 2016, 2:24 pm
#18
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: YYC
Posts: 23,795
People do mileage runs. Wouldn't it be better for everyone just to apy AC instead? You are missing $1000 in AQDs, they charge you $500. Everyone is happy.
Of course if you got 100k miles but only 10k AQDs you may hesitate farming out $5l.
Dec 4, 2016, 3:14 pm
#19
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Why? Why? Zed! / Why? You? Elle! / Gee! Are You!
Programs: Irrelevant
Posts: 3,543
There is a way to do this, use your credit card to purchase a six month unlimited flight pass - boom! - SE granted to you within a couple of weeks. You'll get 20,000 AQM per month and whatever the AQD is for the FP purchased.
Dec 4, 2016, 3:35 pm
#20
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
Programs: FOTSG Tangerine Ex E35k (AC)
Posts: 5,612
I've had paid a reasonable amount to get to E35 last year. I missed out just on AC metal so I wonder how that would impact things because I more than exceeded the overall mileage requirement around the 44k mark.
Now we have AQD and AQM and AQS, what happens if you're $2,000 short but 5 miles short? Or like the previous thread what if you spent $60,000 and flew under $100k/100 AQS, maybe you can now pay $5k to make it to SE100.
I would imagine, that the prices will be insanely high (if it happens at all, I've not seen an actual release about it) AND it'll be capped to one level. You can go from E50 to E75 but not to SE100.
Now we have AQD and AQM and AQS, what happens if you're $2,000 short but 5 miles short? Or like the previous thread what if you spent $60,000 and flew under $100k/100 AQS, maybe you can now pay $5k to make it to SE100.
I would imagine, that the prices will be insanely high (if it happens at all, I've not seen an actual release about it) AND it'll be capped to one level. You can go from E50 to E75 but not to SE100.
Dec 4, 2016, 3:49 pm
#21
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YYZ
Programs: Accor ALL Diamond, AC Aeroplan 25K, Nexus/GE
Posts: 2,729
Airline status is only useful if you're flying. If someone isn't flying enough to earn the status, then why would they pay (miles or cash) for it?
The only situation I can think of, would be a fairly regular flyer who is temporarily not flying, and would want to maintain the status before resuming regular flying again.
Many of the benefits you get from *G can be had by spending about $500 on a premium credit card. Surely that would be a much cheaper investment than the massive number of Aeroplan miles AC would likely ask if they were to actually sell the status outright.
But if you just want to buy status, Avianca will sell you *G for about CAD$3,250. I can think of better uses for that cash.
Dec 4, 2016, 5:01 pm
#22
Suspended
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE*2MM. SPG Plat life
Posts: 4,644
It's MATH TIME - Guesstimate Edition
OK, so let's use a 789 as an example.
30 J
1. Can anyone guesstimate how many of those 30 are actually sold?
2. Can anyone guess how many pax are willing to bid for some J seats?
3. Can anyone guess how many will still spend for a LMU if that's even available?
4. Can anyone guess if there will be any seats left for eUpgrades, which Altitude members received for flying a certain amount of miles and/or as select privileges?
5. If the assumed objective over at AC was to reduce the numbers of SEs by eliminating those who used to fly 100K for $500, what would the objective be in providing the option for 25K and 35K to buy up to a higher Altitude level - other than giving AC another stream of ancillary revenue?
6. If so, then why not offer 50K the chance for 75K, 75K the chance for 100K and oh maybe have 150K as the new 100K?
.......
OK, so let's use a 789 as an example.
30 J
1. Can anyone guesstimate how many of those 30 are actually sold?
2. Can anyone guess how many pax are willing to bid for some J seats?
3. Can anyone guess how many will still spend for a LMU if that's even available?
4. Can anyone guess if there will be any seats left for eUpgrades, which Altitude members received for flying a certain amount of miles and/or as select privileges?
5. If the assumed objective over at AC was to reduce the numbers of SEs by eliminating those who used to fly 100K for $500, what would the objective be in providing the option for 25K and 35K to buy up to a higher Altitude level - other than giving AC another stream of ancillary revenue?
6. If so, then why not offer 50K the chance for 75K, 75K the chance for 100K and oh maybe have 150K as the new 100K?
.......
Dec 4, 2016, 5:12 pm
#23
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803
Why? Buying up to the next tier is one thing, but purchasing status outright is quite another.
Airline status is only useful if you're flying. If someone isn't flying enough to earn the status, then why would they pay (miles or cash) for it?
The only situation I can think of, would be a fairly regular flyer who is temporarily not flying, and would want to maintain the status before resuming regular flying again.
Many of the benefits you get from *G can be had by spending about $500 on a premium credit card. Surely that would be a much cheaper investment than the massive number of Aeroplan miles AC would likely ask if they were to actually sell the status outright.
But if you just want to buy status, Avianca will sell you *G for about CAD$3,250. I can think of better uses for that cash.
Airline status is only useful if you're flying. If someone isn't flying enough to earn the status, then why would they pay (miles or cash) for it?
The only situation I can think of, would be a fairly regular flyer who is temporarily not flying, and would want to maintain the status before resuming regular flying again.
Many of the benefits you get from *G can be had by spending about $500 on a premium credit card. Surely that would be a much cheaper investment than the massive number of Aeroplan miles AC would likely ask if they were to actually sell the status outright.
But if you just want to buy status, Avianca will sell you *G for about CAD$3,250. I can think of better uses for that cash.
What a concept eh? Only so many seats left in E50k for next year yo! Bid now to join the elegant ranks of 31337 sexy fliers! Fly in Styo!
Dec 4, 2016, 5:50 pm
#24
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Mississauga Ontario
Posts: 4,097
I think it's a fair question. No offense meant.
Dec 4, 2016, 6:11 pm
#25
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: sqrt(-united states of apologist)
Programs: *$ Green
Posts: 5,403
Dec 4, 2016, 6:25 pm
#26
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE 2MM; UA MP Premier Silver; Marriott Bonvoy LT Titanium Elite; Radisson; Avis PC
Posts: 35,255
No strings (or threads) attached.
Dec 4, 2016, 6:35 pm
#27
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803
Oooooo! Could even trade on this information!!! Did you not see that uptick on Friday?
Dec 4, 2016, 9:00 pm
#28
Join Date: Sep 2013
Programs: AC SE100K, AA EXP, SPG Plt, HH Dmnd
Posts: 1,507
Smart move by AC, and don't mind so long as SE isn't included (or is super pricey). All the US airlines do it and its good business.
Now just waiting for the AP decision for an AC AQD CC waiver / reduction.
Now just waiting for the AP decision for an AC AQD CC waiver / reduction.
Dec 5, 2016, 3:20 am
#29
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 33
Why is everyone saying SE should not be included? Or it it simply NIMBYism?
Dec 5, 2016, 6:27 am
#30
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803