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flyquiet has graciously commenced with a compilation of recent data points with regard to the most recent targeted status buy up offer.

Your contributions to this wiki are greatly appreciated!

Please post your data point offer below, as per the headings, and the comma delimiter.

If someone would like to improve the formatting style, be my guest.

* Note that the first version of this wiki is based on flyquiet's post, #250.
* if you are not eligible to contribute to the wiki, just say so you in your post and we will do it for you.

- yyznomad

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From AQM AQS AQD Offer Post#

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75k105% uns 88% 2499 N/A

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75K 70% 79% 125% no 238
 75K 76% uns 55% no 229
 75K 105% uns 53% no 210
 75K 116% uns 75% no 252
 75K 84% uns 47% no 254
 75K (unclear if given 50K or 75K, 64%, uns, 126%, no, 255
 75K uns 89% 85% 1599 129/162
 75K 81% 48% 92% 1299 151/160
 75k 83% uns 81% no 295
 50K 62% 88% 100% no 319
 50K 73% 41% 116% no 289
 50K 96% 74% 106% 899 266
 50K 80% uns 178% no 232
 50K uns uns uns 899 193
 35K 93% 46% 160% 899 125
 35K 88% 46% 133% 899 230
 35K 99% uns "enough", 799, 253
 35K 72% 31% 100% no ---
 35K 70% uns 100% no 181
 35K 61% 88% 264% 899 309
 25K 91% uns 150% 599 287
 25K uns 94% uns 599 123
 25K 71% 74% 200% no 195
 AC*A uns uns uns 499 127
 AC*A 79% 16% 104% 499 257
 AC*A 92% uns 87% 144
 AC*A 41% 8% 191% 399 258

AC to allow status buy-up

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Mar 10, 2017, 1:35 pm

#166

karachi

Join Date: May 2004

Location: yyz

Programs: AC*SE 1MM. a bunch of hotel programs.

Posts: 1,592

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrunkCargo

Which thread?

So one can buy up one level, or just pay 499+599+899+1599 and go from zero to ultraSExy?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...-buy-up-9.html

and as others have mentioned, it is targeted.

Mar 10, 2017, 1:43 pm

#167

DrunkCargo

Join Date: Apr 2013

Location: YVR

Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat

Posts: 2,803

Given the people AC's hired in the last 2 years, it seems like more Opsresearch/stats types who are building models that might not be as linear as just AQM or AQD. Not sure it's worthwhile to reverse-engineer this.

Was sitting next to a optimization postdoc carrying an AA business card a few months back chatting about baggage algorithms. Difficult conversation to have many woodfords in, but was invited to sign an NDA and check stuff out. I'm sure, looking at the profiles of recent AC hires, there's similar activity going on...

This is all a good thing. I want to see everything work back to monetization, back to a single currency: money. AC is not a country.

Edit: I'd think anyone who buys up a level, and doesn't change purchase behaviour this year, will not be targeted the subsequent year.

Last edited by DrunkCargo; Mar 10, 2017 at 1:50 pm

Mar 10, 2017, 2:06 pm

#168

eigenvector

Join Date: Apr 2015

Location: YVR

Programs: UA Premier Platinum

Posts: 3,759

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiancow

Exactly. One well placed IKK booking can easily be worth thousands. I've IKK'd many flights that had zero gate upgrades because they were full in J. I took a seat they could have sold.

Sure, but there are also SEs who don't even know what IKK is. AC presumably has the data on how many SEs actually use IKK privileges in the most costly fashion. It's not a huge stretch to say if someone like yourself were to drop to E75K, you might not be the recipient of a $1600 buy-up offer given your AC metal AE redemption history.

Mar 10, 2017, 2:10 pm

#169

kwflyer

Suspended

Join Date: Feb 2008

Location: YKF

Programs: AC Elite 50K, Amex AP Plat, Choice Privileges, National Exec Elite, Via Prefrence

Posts: 2,996

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrunkCargo

Which thread?

So one can buy up one level, or just pay 499+599+899+1599 and go from zero to ultraSExy?

if your BFF is JW, AC may not want a ménage a trois

Mar 10, 2017, 2:26 pm

#170

YEG_SE4Life

Join Date: Oct 2013

Location: YEG

Programs: AC Lifetime SE100K, 3MM, SPG Lifetime Plat, Hertz PC, National Executive Elite

Posts: 2,901

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffsim

What incremental costs? Realistically? Concierge availability at $14/hr and a bunch of eUpgrade credits. How much can the former possibly cost? Let's say an SE uses a concierge for 2 hours a month, that's like $336 for the year.

I realize that it is just semantics, but, even if the hourly rate is accurate, someone who makes 14.00 per hour will cost their employer much more that that with payroll load and other costs.

Mar 10, 2017, 2:35 pm

#171

ffsim

Join Date: Oct 2009

Location: YUL

Programs: AC SE (*A Gold), Bonvoy Platinum Elite, Hilton Gold, Amex Platinum / AP Reserve, NEXUS, Global Entry

Posts: 5,691

Quote:

Originally Posted by YEG_SE4Life

I realize that it is just semantics, but, even if the hourly rate is accurate, someone who makes 14.00 per hour will cost their employer much more that that with payroll load and other costs.

Yes, of course. The point being it's still not the bulk of the buy-up fee.

I think the real value based on the discussion in this thread is the availability of IKK and surcharge-free rewards. Provided one has the requisite Aeroplan miles, it could be very wise indeed to buy up for those two benefits alone.

Mar 10, 2017, 2:41 pm

#172

hearna

Join Date: Apr 2011

Location: YEG

Posts: 3,717

Quote:

Originally Posted by kellyl

Just got the email. I'm 75K

For a limited time, take advantage of this unique offer to step up to Altitude Super Elite 100K status until February 28, 2018* for only $1599 CAD.

with the going rates on YQ these days if your planning on booking a high YQ trip this could pay for itsself...

Mar 10, 2017, 2:41 pm

#173

YEG_SE4Life

Join Date: Oct 2013

Location: YEG

Programs: AC Lifetime SE100K, 3MM, SPG Lifetime Plat, Hertz PC, National Executive Elite

Posts: 2,901

I wonder if I'll get an offer to buy up from SE to VIP?

Mar 10, 2017, 3:17 pm

#174

canopus27

Join Date: Dec 2011

Location: YYZ

Programs: AC SEMM / HH Diamond

Posts: 3,161

Quote:

Originally Posted by sulfur

My email today says $1299 from 75K to SE100K.

Is my 75K higher status than your 75K?

Damn it, you guys were not meant to talk to each other....

Mar 10, 2017, 3:17 pm

#175

kenlor

Join Date: Jan 2017

Location: YYC

Programs: AC SE100K/*G, Nexus

Posts: 211

Quote:

Originally Posted by eigenvector

<snip> Sure, but there are also SEs who don't even know what IKK is. <snip>.

OK I give up. What DOES IKK stand for?

I know this is a newbie question, and I AM a newbie, but not an irresponsible one, honest! I've searched the FT Glossary and IKK is not listed in it. I've tried to glean hints from every thread where this is mentioned, but no luck. I only became P25 in 2016, then discovered FT a few months ago. It helped me to get E35 for 2017, and I'm shooting for E50/E75 for 2018, thanks to the knowledge I've gained from this board in just a short few months. I've learned all about PNRs, CATSA, YQ, and pickles...but for the life of me, I cannot figure out what IKK is!

Mar 10, 2017, 3:22 pm

#176

eigenvector

Join Date: Apr 2015

Location: YVR

Programs: UA Premier Platinum

Posts: 3,759

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenlor

The actual name in the Altitude program is "Priority Rewards". Priority Rewards are expanded award inventory for elites. Super Elites get access to any available seat in economy, and some additional seats in business class - with no additional miles charged. For all other elites it's 2x the normal number of miles and it doesn't include business class.

https://altitude.aircanada.com/status/priority-rewards

Mar 10, 2017, 3:53 pm

#177

KenHamer

Original Member

Join Date: May 1998

Location: Vancouver, Canada

Posts: 6,222

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffsim

I think it's more likely that they're hooked on the revenue they "earned" by selling top-up status a few months ago...

I want royalties!

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...hitchcock.html

Mar 10, 2017, 3:54 pm

#178

jc94

Join Date: Jan 2016

Location: YYZ

Programs: FOTSG Tangerine Ex E35k (AC)

Posts: 5,612

Let's not forget that SE are the only ones getting SE-AC*G on their *A boarding passes. E75 are getting *S

And of course, Zone 1 snowflake powers

Mar 10, 2017, 4:14 pm

#179

DrunkCargo

Join Date: Apr 2013

Location: YVR

Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat

Posts: 2,803

Quote:

Originally Posted by jc94

Let's not forget that SE are the only ones getting SE-AC*G on their *A boarding passes. E75 are getting *S

And of course, Zone 1 snowflake powers

J has that too. It's the most fun when you hang back, and while zone 5 is being boarded saunter to zone 1 with nothing but a very very small bag, just to be able to answer "Zone 1?" with ... "Jay."

AQD is mostly comprised of what? Actual costs of delivering conveyance? What are margins like at AC? Is it really fuel driven and thus this pay-for-play might be the ONLY way an airline can make money reliably?

Might have to sex it up more... should sunglasses on livery, at night even... good Canadian music...

Mar 10, 2017, 4:45 pm

#180

Wpgjetse

Suspended

Join Date: Mar 2013

Location: YVR

Programs: AC SE*2MM. SPG Plat life

Posts: 4,644

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanRulez

This is ridiculous. No offence to the OP.

If they want more SE's, they should just lower the AQD for Canadian residents. Heck, given the appreciation in the US dollar, they should raise the AQD for US residents to $15K

Why? They are charging for it . Ac is well ahead on the deal.