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Old Nov 20, 16, 12:10 pm
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I am able to book an itinerary with AC from YYT-YYZ-EWR-YVR-YYJ at a better price than a straightforward routing, however come check in time will I be permitted to take these flights, or is the routing "illegal"?

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Old Nov 20, 16, 12:22 pm
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Travelling from coast to coast in the winter with stops in YYZ and EWR?

What could possibly go wrong?

Do you place ANY value on your time?

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Old Nov 20, 16, 12:35 pm
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What you're describing is called cabbage. Or, more precisely, cabotage.

Although it depends on your marketing and operating carriers. If everything is operated and marketed by AC, it's technically legal, although...
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If it's operated by AC, it's not even cabotage, is it?
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If it's operated by AC, it's not even cabotage, is it?
Probably not
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What if there are codeshare flights operated by UA on the itinerary?

I'm afraid of issues when checking in at YYT, as although there are a couple of excellent agents, there are a number of less than knowledgable ones...
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Old Nov 20, 16, 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by HangTen View Post
Travelling from coast to coast in the winter with stops in YYZ and EWR?

What could possibly go wrong?

Do you place ANY value on your time?

It is a little risky but the mighty AQM/AQS counter rules all!
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This is two tickets right? YYT-EWR and EWR-YYJ?
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This is two tickets right? YYT-EWR and EWR-YYJ?
If it's a single ticket, most unlikely to be issued though, it would be cabotage and a breach of IATA rules.

As noted, given winter weather there would be no assurance of protection in the second ticketed onward flight(s) be missed due to late arrival of the inbound flight.
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Old Nov 20, 16, 1:06 pm
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This is two tickets right? YYT-EWR and EWR-YYJ?
No, it's one ticket sold by AC; all AC flight numbers.
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This is two tickets right? YYT-EWR and EWR-YYJ?
That was going to be my next question.

At the very least, I assume it's two fares, so if you just book it as two separate PNRs, then no one will even know about it.

This is not the kind of booking I'd want to talk to any agents about. Check in online, print your BP, and just fly it.
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No, it's one ticket sold by AC; all AC flight numbers.
Well if they issued the ticket then it should be valid. If they give you trouble then it's their responsibility to get you to your final destination in a more direct manner. Not the customer's issue.
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Originally Posted by pewpew View Post
What you're describing is called cabbage. Or, more precisely, cabotage.

Although it depends on your marketing and operating carriers. If everything is operated and marketed by AC, it's technically legal, although...
Can somebody point me to the "cabotage" portion of the itinerary? It's a Canada-to-Canada flight operated by a Canadian airline with no segment of the route between two US cities. IF AC sold a standalone ticket between two US cities (which it doesn't in this example), it might count as cabbage/cabotage.

Merely passing through one American airport does not qualify as cabotage. Or even slaw.
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Old Nov 20, 16, 1:23 pm
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Well if they issued the ticket then it should be valid. If they give you trouble then it's their responsibility to get you to your final destination in a more direct manner. Not the customer's issue.
I would agree, as long as the ticket was bought with AC direct. If it was bought via a agent, then the agent should be responsible.
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Old Nov 20, 16, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow View Post
That was going to be my next question.

At the very least, I assume it's two fares, so if you just book it as two separate PNRs, then no one will even know about it.

This is not the kind of booking I'd want to talk to any agents about. Check in online, print your BP, and just fly it.
I was able to get it as one fair under one PNR with multi-city on google flights. Agent interaction is unavoidable in this case as I will be checking baggage

I guess the other concern is customs... Has anyone had issues doing a similar routing?
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