Canada-Canada via US
#31
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That's what I'm thinking, I'm just afraid of agents giving me trouble about the routing ie. "this routing isn't allowed... you shouldn't have been able to book this..."
via LAX instead of EWR looks better as I won't have to deal with the potential weather disturbances that EWR is notorious for.
via LAX instead of EWR looks better as I won't have to deal with the potential weather disturbances that EWR is notorious for.
A refresher for those who haven't spent hours reading the laws:
Cabotage is the transport between two points in country A by one or more carriers based in country B (or B and C, etc...). As long as one of the border-crossing legs is flown by a carrier based in country A, it is not cabotage and the remainder of the itinerary is not relevant. Unless negotiated into an Open Skies agreement (see: EU), cabotage is illegal.
AC flying you BOS-YYZ-LAX is CABOTAGE.
AC flying you YYZ-EWR-YYC is NOT CABOTAGE.
AC flying you YYZ-ORD and UA flying you ORD-YYC is NOT CABOTAGE.
AA flying you YYZ-ORD and UA flying you ORD-YYC is CABOTAGE, if booked as one ticket.
Last edited by rehoult; Nov 20, 2016 at 3:46 pm
#32
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How so? Both US carriers are transporting you from Canada to the US (or v/v), one-way, presumably on unrelated tickets. This seems an entirely legal routing, valid for mileage runs or maybe just a dogleg detour in order to enjoy a Goose Island IPA on the concourse at ORD.
#33
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I think checking luggage would be the issue as I expect the US point is actually the first destination and then you have a new ticket from their to your destination. You'd generally be expected to pick up your luggage at your destination and then check it for the next leg in your journey.
#34
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How so? Both US carriers are transporting you from Canada to the US (or v/v), one-way, presumably on unrelated tickets. This seems an entirely legal routing, valid for mileage runs or maybe just a dogleg detour in order to enjoy a Goose Island IPA on the concourse at ORD.
#35
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Back to OP's situation, he was asked whether on one ticket or two (or more) and whether AC-operated. He answered one PNR and AC flight numbers. PNR's are not tickets and flight numbers do not necessarily relate to who operates the flight, e.g. code shares.
So, the question to OP is:
1. Is this all on one ticket?
2. Are all segments operated by AC?
So, the question to OP is:
1. Is this all on one ticket?
2. Are all segments operated by AC?
#36
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Back to OP's situation, he was asked whether on one ticket or two (or more) and whether AC-operated. He answered one PNR and AC flight numbers. PNR's are not tickets and flight numbers do not necessarily relate to who operates the flight, e.g. code shares.
So, the question to OP is:
1. Is this all on one ticket?
2. Are all segments operated by AC?
So, the question to OP is:
1. Is this all on one ticket?
2. Are all segments operated by AC?
2. On the routing via EWR, all segments are on AC metal. But I am also looking at a different routing via DEN on AC/UA metal but all with AC flight numbers.
#37
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Flight number isn't relevant. The key is that at least one of the two flights that cross the border must be AC metal.
#38
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I did YVR-LAX-YVR-YYZ 3 days ago, checkin online, told immigration officer it's a MR and same price as me going flex YVR-YYZ. No question asked, all of this book via AC website in multiple routes option, all operates by AC. However, I have no luggage
#39
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Back to OP's situation, he was asked whether on one ticket or two (or more) and whether AC-operated. He answered one PNR and AC flight numbers. PNR's are not tickets and flight numbers do not necessarily relate to who operates the flight, e.g. code shares.
So, the question to OP is:
1. Is this all on one ticket?
2. Are all segments operated by AC?
So, the question to OP is:
1. Is this all on one ticket?
2. Are all segments operated by AC?
#40
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Please excuse my ignorance but how does this work? Is this the same as the multi-city option? If I enter three flights (admittedly YYZ-YVR-LAX-YVR) in the multi-city option it seems to treat it as three flights, priced accordingly. (I've never done a mileage run but can see the need for it at some point in the not-too-distant future!)
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Please excuse my ignorance but how does this work? Is this the same as the multi-city option? If I enter three flights (admittedly YYZ-YVR-LAX-YVR) in the multi-city option it seems to treat it as three flights, priced accordingly. (I've never done a mileage run but can see the need for it at some point in the not-too-distant future!)
I'd use Google Flights for this. It should give you a link to book on AC.com.
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OP's luggage point seems not to have been given much consideration.
I think there's a good chance winter IRROPS would mess up the flying on this itinerary, but checking bags seems like a recipe for disaster. So many places things can go wrong and even one tight connection that you might make as a pax where your luggage may be left behind.
Not to mention potential confusion at EWR over handling AC-AC connecting bags, which can't be a frequent occurrence.
I think there's a good chance winter IRROPS would mess up the flying on this itinerary, but checking bags seems like a recipe for disaster. So many places things can go wrong and even one tight connection that you might make as a pax where your luggage may be left behind.
Not to mention potential confusion at EWR over handling AC-AC connecting bags, which can't be a frequent occurrence.