Air Canada Bid Upgrade Program

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If I use a Bid Upgrade do I get additional SQM / SQD now for my flights?

No.

If I use a Bid Upgrade on an International Flight leaving YYZ/YVR do I get access to the Signature Lounge?

No.



AC Bid Upgrade - FAQs


https://www.aircanada.com/content/da...pgrade-FAQ.pdf

If your upgrade request is accepted, the fare conditions for the original ticket you purchased shall remain in effect and will be applicable with respect to cancellation policies, change fees, conditions for minimum and maximum stay, and rules relating to the accrual of frequent flyer miles. All other conditions will be per the upgraded fare class.

On the AC website:

"AC Bid Upgrade - Your opportunity to travel in a higher cabin class"

https://upgrade.plusgrade.com/offer/AirCanada


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Old Nov 22, 16, 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by SparseFlyer View Post
That's a good idea actually. But I wonder if that would be too much of a logistical nightmare at the gate. Hmmm...

If I was AC, I would do this:

1. Clear all Altitude Upgrades

2. Process Bids for 50-75% of seats T-2 or 3 days (would depend on data about last minute J purchases and stuff).

3. Clear bids

4. Offer LMU T-24h adjusted for an internal reserve price and expected demand.


AC gets to fill J while still having an opportunity to extract more value with better priced LMU.
If I was AC, I would not do step 1 until after step 4.
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Old Nov 22, 16, 2:14 pm
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This whole thread has me thinking about another idea I had a decade ago... imagine an arm's-length intermediary like a Walrasian auction that instead of fiddling with the price like RM does, essentially collects sealed bids and reserve pricing (say like full charter), and doesn't close the transaction of flight confirmation until equilibrium is established, thus setting the price for the flight flat across the board. This ensures healthy rent for the vendor and "fair" pricing for consumer. The problem it seems with airlines is that they're too spiky in profits, which is no good for either side.

Also, this intermediary can accept "bids" on ranges of flights... like "I'm in XYZ and I wan to go to either ABC, DEF, or GHI and I'm willing to pay $1234".... I'm willing to give up this ceiling info to the intermediary, because the intermediary does not disclose it to the supplier, hence the arm's-length requirement.

Have I essentially described a TA?
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Old Nov 24, 16, 10:23 pm
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Was perusing the refunds section of the AC website when I stumbled upon this. Any thoughts? Looks like it will be a soon-to-be enhancement...
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Old Nov 25, 16, 2:15 am
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Was perusing the refunds section of the AC website when I stumbled upon this. Any thoughts? Looks like it will be a soon-to-be enhancement...
Very nice. Ought to clean out all the cheapeners. You want J, you pay J. Bid or otherwise.

A proper business finally...

Better not be ML*1... I hate booking 2 hours out, buying my LMU, and being asked last of last for my meal.
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Old Nov 25, 16, 6:40 am
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Originally Posted by DrunkCargo View Post
Very nice. Ought to clean out all the cheapeners. You want J, you pay J. Bid or otherwise.

A proper business finally...

Better not be ML*1... I hate booking 2 hours out, buying my LMU, and being asked last of last for my meal.
ML* codes are not supposed to be even looked at unless there are more J pax than meals.

Also, "or otherwise" would very reasonably include "miles" or "eUpgrades".
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Old Nov 27, 16, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow View Post
ML* codes are not supposed to be even looked at unless there are more J pax than meals.

Also, "or otherwise" would very reasonably include "miles" or "eUpgrades".
Right, I'm not necessarily arguing that current revenue basis for upgrade should be different than prior-revenue basis. eUps that clear prior to waitlist do not show ML*1, eUps do have an economic value (and arguably a monetary value), and eUps really represent prior-revenue.

So, AC just needs to lose the ML*1. If that means a P25k waitlisted eUp takes the last "Chicken" from a AC*A on full paid J, then so be it.

Agreed this is a moot point as it rarely plays out to make a difference, but I have had my second choice before as an SE with ML*1, despite what seems contrary to SOPs. It basically looks the same as an SE with opup.

Now, for an opUp at zero cost to pax (no eUp points, no $), ML*1 for sure, and as I've had many times in the past a handwritten note scrawled on the BP that says "*NO MEAL PROMISED*" or something to that effect.
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Old Nov 27, 16, 5:02 pm
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new site called Plusgrade.com. It was mentioned in an article in National Post on Nov 21, otherwise I would never have heard of it.

This is certainly going to mess up benefits for loyal AC Members.
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Old Nov 28, 16, 12:25 am
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Originally Posted by DrunkCargo View Post
Now, for an opUp at zero cost to pax (no eUp points, no $), ML*1 for sure, and as I've had many times in the past a handwritten note scrawled on the BP that says "*NO MEAL PROMISED*" or something to that effect.
I always find that amusing.

Because the crew never checks your BP
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Old Nov 28, 16, 6:56 am
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From chats with other FTQV's when traveling, this is how the quest for an upgrade appears to be ranked...

Pay the full-freight-for-weight for O or J class at booking time.

Use your points to "purchase" O or J class at booking time.

Use your eUpgrade credits after booking up until check-in.

Request a LMU after check-in.

Now where eBid for UPG will fall-in, by e-vite, we'll soon know.

I've looked over the shoulder of an AC staff who was on standby and noticed in idle conversation, they were waiting to get a seat, but had access to a private list which showed where they fell on that list including "chances" to be seated in O or J class. I know many of the OAL's make public that list at the departure gate and/or app, so with that type of visibility and transparency knowledge might just make collusion a tad more difficult and trump any ideas of gaming the system, maybe.

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Old Nov 28, 16, 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by YEG2MM View Post
I would imagine that the first qualifier for "eligible" would be a J cabin. How far in advance of the flight, did your friend receive this offer?
The email was received four days in advance, IIRC.

Originally Posted by DrunkCargo View Post
Very nice. Ought to clean out all the cheapeners. You want J, you pay J. Bid or otherwise.

A proper business finally...

Better not be ML*1... I hate booking 2 hours out, buying my LMU, and being asked last of last for my meal.
There will be no ML* anything. This is not an LMU, the upgrade bids will be decided a couple of days before departure. The winning bid(s) should be treated no differently (AFIK) than an e-up clearing more than 24 hours before the flight.
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Old Nov 29, 16, 9:38 pm
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Air Canada Bidding for J Upgrade

Has anyone else seen this before?

Received this email today for an upcoming flight from YVR to YWG via YYC in just over a week.

Gave me options to bid (from $95) for each sector.
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Old Nov 30, 16, 4:22 am
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Originally Posted by mattbrisbane View Post
Has anyone else seen this before?

Received this email today for an upcoming flight from YVR to YWG via YYC in just over a week.

Gave me options to bid (from $95) for each sector.
This is going to be super-interesting!

If its offered a week out then it will trump (oops! not the right word any more) LMU and gate eup's but with the current eupgrade 'promo' maybe not regular upgrades.

An enhancement would be to revise your bid. "Mr TomYVR, Your current bid of $300 is $50 below the current bid leader, would you like to revise it?"
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Old Nov 30, 16, 9:04 am
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Originally Posted by tomvancouver View Post
If its offered a week out then it will trump (oops! not the right word any more) LMU and gate eup's but with the current eupgrade 'promo' maybe not regular upgrades.
It certainly has the potential to impact the complimentary latitude flight pass upgrades. It wouldn't surprise me if those go away.
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Old Nov 30, 16, 12:03 pm
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Originally Posted by tomvancouver View Post

If its offered a week out then it will trump (oops! not the right word any more) LMU and gate eup's but with the current eupgrade 'promo' maybe not regular upgrades.


I would imagine that "maybe not" will not be good enough if eUpgrades are going to retain any value. If you can buy an instantly upgradeable fare and use them, great, that adds an obvious value. But if R space is zero, its R game players vs. cash bidders. Who will AC prefer when deciding to open up space?


The premium paid for flex would mostly be the benefit of more AQM, which may or may not prove to have much worth in the long run. Tango ticket, credit card benefits and the savings being held in a bid kitty might be the better alternative for those who would otherwise be middling elites. LMUs are already available for purchase to tango passengers, but the auction significantly reduces the probability that no one bites because of mispricing.

What I really want to know is what the average minimum bid for an upgrade from an international tango fare flight will be. The "limited time" promotion suggests that AC expects that a tango flyer will be prepared to pony up 21 eup credits and $600 cash to upgrade to J on a TATL flight. Will the minimum bid on the same flight be more to offset the value of AC accountants place on the eup coming off their books or will it just be who brings the most additional cash to the auction regardless of what fare and status the bidder has?
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Old Nov 30, 16, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by DrunkCargo View Post
Very nice. Ought to clean out all the cheapeners. You want J, you pay J. Bid or otherwise.

A proper business finally...
I got bunches of miles and points, do I deserve J ?
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