Air Canada Bid Upgrade Program

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If I use a Bid Upgrade do I get additional SQM / SQD now for my flights?

No.

If I use a Bid Upgrade on an International Flight leaving YYZ/YVR do I get access to the Signature Lounge?

No.



AC Bid Upgrade - FAQs


https://www.aircanada.com/content/da...pgrade-FAQ.pdf

If your upgrade request is accepted, the fare conditions for the original ticket you purchased shall remain in effect and will be applicable with respect to cancellation policies, change fees, conditions for minimum and maximum stay, and rules relating to the accrual of frequent flyer miles. All other conditions will be per the upgraded fare class.

On the AC website:

"AC Bid Upgrade - Your opportunity to travel in a higher cabin class"

https://upgrade.plusgrade.com/offer/AirCanada


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Old Nov 9, 16, 9:42 am
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If bidding is implemented, does status still matter? For example, if an SE bid a J seat for 10 e-ups but a P25K bid for 11 e-ups, does P25K get the seat?
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Old Nov 9, 16, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by SparseFlyer View Post
Unless bidding is not until T-15m and takes away R space.

Then all bets are off.
That's not leaving the eUp system as-is though.

Originally Posted by songsc View Post
If bidding is implemented, does status still matter? For example, if an SE bid a J seat for 10 e-ups but a P25K bid for 11 e-ups, does P25K get the seat?
If there's going to be bidding for upgrades, it's going to be bidding cash, not eUps.
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Old Nov 9, 16, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by adam.smith View Post
That's not leaving the eUp system as-is though.



If there's going to be bidding for upgrades, it's going to be bidding cash, not eUps.
So the bidding only replace LMU then? If so then it doesn't affect FFers too much IMO.
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Old Nov 9, 16, 10:00 am
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We don't know yet. It's possible that upgrade bidding would be paired with reductions to the eUp system.

I just said that if they don't change the eUp system, this doesn't affect us.

If they make a bunch of cutbacks to eUps, then yes, this is a big negative.
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Old Nov 9, 16, 10:28 am
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I expect that AC will adopt a bidding system within the next couple years. I do not know whether the premium that passengers pay for upgradeable fares, plus the add-on fee that some passengers pay when using eupgrades, plus the sale LMUs exceeds the premium that can be extracted from a simple open auction, but I have the suspicion that it might be.


With that reasoning, I also expect eupgrades to be eliminated. If frequent flyers are to be rewarded with anything similar, it is likely to be something along the lines of credits valued in dollars that can only be used towards bids in auctions. Again, just suspicion, but given the frequent changes to the eupgrade program and the number of Opups that I alone have received in the last two years, the eupgrade/LMU system is not presently optimized.
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Old Nov 9, 16, 10:38 am
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If AC does decide to introduce a bidding system, I guess the big question is going to be "who has priority for upgrades between waitlisted eUps and bids".
Hopefully AC won't destroy the eUp program furthermore with the bidding system.
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Old Nov 9, 16, 11:08 am
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Nothing novel or new. Simply another revenue opportunity if it's true. Jumping on an LX flight later today (revenue booking) and received at least 4 advance e-mails reminding me of the ability to bid for an upgrade. Bid range was CHF900 to CHF3600.
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Old Nov 9, 16, 1:48 pm
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So, I had a chance to look at the e-mail and check out the website and it seems legit.

Once thing I did find out is that this upgrade bidding is in some sort of beta phase at the moment. That being said, I will not post the URL I have, since the URL and system may change once the bidding system changes from beta to production.

One of the things I noticed was that term "eligible flight" is mentioned. I am not sure what constitutes an eligible Air Canada flight, I guess that is still being determined. Maybe code-share on AC metal are not eligible, AC 014 code-share on other carriers are not (or maybe are) eligible for upgrade bidding(?).


Originally Posted by Jasper2009 View Post
It wouldn't surprise me if this were true.

The number of airlines which have implemented a "bidding for upgrade" system has exploded over the last two years. Pretty much much all the airlines use the IT platform developed by Plusgrade:

www.plusgrade.com

I had the opportunity to meet the founders during a conference last week and it's probably one of the most significant innovations in generating ancillary revenue in recent years.

Of course this would be bad news for frequent flyers, but let's see whether the news is true....
You're pretty much on the money there Jasper2009, the upgrade site is indeed operated by Plusgrade.


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If bidding is implemented, does status still matter? For example, if an SE bid a J seat for 10 e-ups but a P25K bid for 11 e-ups, does P25K get the seat?
I have no idea at this point.

Originally Posted by adam.smith View Post
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If there's going to be bidding for upgrades, it's going to be bidding cash, not eUps.
Yes, it is a cash based bidding for the upgrade, credit card information is required when placing a bid.
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Old Nov 9, 16, 3:02 pm
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I would imagine that the first qualifier for "eligible" would be a J cabin. How far in advance of the flight, did your friend receive this offer?
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Old Nov 10, 16, 12:36 pm
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Any Game Theory or collusion strategies to reduce the cost of scoring an upgrade through this bidding system ?
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Old Nov 10, 16, 1:45 pm
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I'm on a LH flight YYZ-FRA in 2 weeks in Premium Economy. I can bid on a business class upgrade for a minimum bid of $520 USD each way. The options are min $520 - max $710 bid. Per flight.

I'm not a frequent flyer by comparison, but I've seen this several times - less here in NA though - just my observation.
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Old Nov 10, 16, 2:02 pm
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That's a pretty tight band.

They should make it $0-$inf with an internal reserve price.

Then we could watch all the sad bottom feeders board the plane sad and angry cause they bid too low.
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Old Nov 10, 16, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Toddcan View Post
I'm on a LH flight YYZ-FRA in 2 weeks in Premium Economy. I can bid on a business class upgrade for a minimum bid of $520 USD each way. The options are min $520 - max $710 bid. Per flight.

I'm not a frequent flyer by comparison, but I've seen this several times - less here in NA though - just my observation.

I wonder if AC can do something similar to the set-up LH has.


LH FT had this thread which started November 18, 2014

Interesting posts re LH bidding process - and there's even an option to change the currency

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/lufth...-longhaul.html


Also worth a peek is LH's own site and their Upgrade options

On the main Upgrade options page, you can choose which class, length of flight, and what type of upgrade - Fixed Price, Offer, or Miles

http://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/Upgrade-options


Then, if you want to "Upgrade to Business Class on long-haul flights"

It actually has a chart with the cost range per destination

http://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/Upgra...lass-long-haul


Very interesting.
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Old Nov 10, 16, 2:20 pm
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Originally Posted by InstantElite View Post
Any Game Theory or collusion strategies to reduce the cost of scoring an upgrade through this bidding system ?
Based on personal experience and online forum reports, the minimum asking bid is almost always accepted at a certain 5 * middle east airline.
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Old Nov 10, 16, 3:17 pm
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Originally Posted by beep88 View Post
Based on personal experience and online forum reports, the minimum asking bid is almost always accepted at a certain 5 * middle east airline.


You have me intrigued. If the minimum bid is always accepted, it is essentially an LMU and I assume some seats get no bid. The LH model is a single sealed bid auction. For maximum economic efficiency, I would want a no-minimum, no maximum, all empty J seats are sold arrangement.


Actually, as I type, I realize that the auction might only be 'sealed' vis--vis the other bidders. The airline could very well know how hot the bidding is in the 72 hour window and adjust the retail price of the J seats accordingly. Admittedly, I have not read the fine print to find out if a third party 'seals' these bids.
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