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Adam Smith Sep 6, 16 9:23 pm


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 27175133)
I stopped reading at this point.

Tango upgrades are only until January.

Have they actually officially announced any of this yet? Maybe the Tango/reward upgrades are a one-month trial. Or a 2017 benefit year privilege that wasn't supposed to be rolled out yet.

CanRulez Sep 6, 16 9:50 pm


Originally Posted by adam.smith (Post 27175852)
Have they actually officially announced any of this yet? Maybe the Tango/reward upgrades are a one-month trial. Or a 2017 benefit year privilege that wasn't supposed to be rolled out yet.

DNAwizard posted the link earlier, but here it is below.

https://www.aircanada.com/en/offers/...ade_offer.html

I see it live on my existing booking.

Transpacificflyer Sep 6, 16 10:00 pm


Originally Posted by Jumper Jack (Post 27174212)
Laughing so hard right now.. AS predicted by me a few months back(Though I was more thinking they would allow Tango to PE as oppose to Tango to J)

Well.. it has happened.

International require a $600 co-pay to europe FOR Tango/Reward tix

Best Part : Tango E-upgrade to Asia for $850

I am going to very.. very happy next summer when I get J for <1200 to PVG

Ok, what am I missing here? J class to Pudong is $3500 RT.
The cheapest fare to upgrade is $820 + 26 credits + $850 CAD (taxes incl.)
That's $1670 plus the credits, right? OK. so please explain why you think that a Tango fare customer is going to be able to easily upgrade
You are aware that on the longhaul routes, the load factory is rather high? There is an ongoing issue of overbooking.
Then there are going to be the aeropoint addicts who will want their full points and will fly in flex and will also assume that they will stand a better chance of an upgrade. However, more likely will be the folks in PE looking to upgrade and they will occupy a higher part of the pecking order.

I appreciate that you like living life on the edge, an adventurer, willing to try new things like red tortilla chips vs yellow, or wearing those odd fitting boxer briefs from HM which I can't wear because I am too fat and too old. However, it seems to me that it is very, unlikely you will score the upgrade from a Tango fare. In plane language you are deluded. (Yes, I know it should be plain, but this is an air travel forum and I am trying to show off my grasp of language, and offer a witty pun, which I shouldn't have to explain, but I just know someone will notice). Of course, I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, but I just think you are setting yourself up for heartbreak. Unless you have an ability to charm the system. Everyone's going to be upgrading, so it's going to be difficult to get one. What am I missing?

Adam Smith Sep 6, 16 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by CanRulez (Post 27175947)
DNAwizard posted the link earlier, but here it is below.

https://www.aircanada.com/en/offers/...ade_offer.html

I see it live on my existing booking.

My bad, I missed that sandwiched between YOWgary's big post and Jack's reply to it.

CdnFlier Sep 6, 16 11:09 pm

Interesting, well that's a start. A little too late for me, this drop from SE last year to nada this year has been interesting. Tried a few other carriers, and while AC status would be nice for this stuff..it'll be interesting to see if this becomes permanent or it's just a way to burn off eups.

Kudos on restoring upgrade from AE though, it was a nice year or two where that was possible.

The whole SE co-pay for Tango floats between making sense and being confusing. For SEs to remain SEs there aren't going to be a lot of Tango purchases anyway.

canadiancow Sep 7, 16 12:11 am


Originally Posted by CdnFlier (Post 27176114)
The whole SE co-pay for Tango floats between making sense and being confusing. For SEs to remain SEs there aren't going to be a lot of Tango purchases anyway.

I've hit the requirements for SE already.

If I need to fly somewhere, and Tango plus co-pay is cheaper than Flex/PY, why wouldn't I save money?

My bigger issue is that while Tango is an extra $100 each way in co-pay for E75K, it's an extra $850 each way for me. So I'm not even convinced the cost savings is there.

Might as well buy PY and be top of the upgrade list, especially given that I often see PY priced between Tango and Flex.

quantumofforce Sep 7, 16 1:06 am


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 27176265)
I've hit the requirements for SE already.

If I need to fly somewhere, and Tango plus co-pay is cheaper than Flex/PY, why wouldn't I save money?

My bigger issue is that while Tango is an extra $100 each way in co-pay for E75K, it's an extra $850 each way for me. So I'm not even convinced the cost savings is there.

Might as well buy PY and be top of the upgrade list, especially given that I often see PY priced between Tango and Flex.

Maybe this is all designed to sell more PY seats?

Bonaventure Sep 7, 16 2:57 am

Interesting change. Can't see how it's that big of a benefit, but more choice is always better.

FlyerGoldII Sep 7, 16 4:54 am

I have read AQD for SE next year, and I am almost here for the AQM segment.

So I might want some of my remaining flights for the rest of the year booked as award seats or tango seats; but if I have to pay a miniscule amount for a co-pay - that would be deterrant for me.

So anyone know whether SE will or will not pay be responsible for the co-pay in these situations?

yyznomad Sep 7, 16 5:09 am


Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer (Post 27175981)
Ok, what am I missing here? J class to Pudong is $3500 RT.
The cheapest fare to upgrade is $820 + 26 credits + $850 CAD (taxes incl.)
That's $1670 plus the credits, right? OK. so please explain why you think that a Tango fare customer is going to be able to easily upgrade
You are aware that on the longhaul routes, the load factory is rather high? There is an ongoing issue of overbooking.
Then there are going to be the aeropoint addicts who will want their full points and will fly in flex and will also assume that they will stand a better chance of an upgrade. However, more likely will be the folks in PE looking to upgrade and they will occupy a higher part of the pecking order.

I appreciate that you like living life on the edge, an adventurer, willing to try new things like red tortilla chips vs yellow, or wearing those odd fitting boxer briefs from HM which I can't wear because I am too fat and too old. However, it seems to me that it is very, unlikely you will score the upgrade from a Tango fare. In plane language you are deluded. (Yes, I know it should be plain, but this is an air travel forum and I am trying to show off my grasp of language, and offer a witty pun, which I shouldn't have to explain, but I just know someone will notice). Of course, I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, but I just think you are setting yourself up for heartbreak. Unless you have an ability to charm the system. Everyone's going to be upgrading, so it's going to be difficult to get one. What am I missing?

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grandgourmand Sep 7, 16 5:40 am


Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer (Post 27175981)
Ok, what am I missing here? J class to Pudong is $3500 RT.
The cheapest fare to upgrade is $820 + 26 credits + $850 CAD (taxes incl.)
That's $1670 plus the credits, right? OK. so please explain why you think that a Tango fare customer is going to be able to easily upgrade
You are aware that on the longhaul routes, the load factory is rather high? There is an ongoing issue of overbooking.
Then there are going to be the aeropoint addicts who will want their full points and will fly in flex and will also assume that they will stand a better chance of an upgrade. However, more likely will be the folks in PE looking to upgrade and they will occupy a higher part of the pecking order.

I appreciate that you like living life on the edge, an adventurer, willing to try new things like red tortilla chips vs yellow, or wearing those odd fitting boxer briefs from HM which I can't wear because I am too fat and too old. However, it seems to me that it is very, unlikely you will score the upgrade from a Tango fare. In plane language you are deluded. (Yes, I know it should be plain, but this is an air travel forum and I am trying to show off my grasp of language, and offer a witty pun, which I shouldn't have to explain, but I just know someone will notice). Of course, I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, but I just think you are setting yourself up for heartbreak. Unless you have an ability to charm the system. Everyone's going to be upgrading, so it's going to be difficult to get one. What am I missing?

Just to play devil's advocate...maybe load factors will decline due to intensification of competition. The recent sales on DL and AA to PEK and PVG in J for sub$3k (I think well under) are one example of this challenge to AC. The other indication is that, as you point out, AC is offering this fare for ~$3500 in J which is rather cheap, if you can call it that. Third is that they are offering the eupgrade from the cheap class fares, period. Why else would they make upgrades more accessible on their aeroplain?

Here'a another question, though...is that co-pay example from YVR-YYZ for $400 a good deal? Seems to me that you could upgrade from flex when checking in for a similar price, with no eups.

Geoflying Sep 7, 16 6:08 am

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So here - points to note:

SE copay (mentioned before in this thread)

No expanded booking window

No upgrade to PE from Tango or Aeroplan

No upgrade from Aeroplan Market Fare (why not?)

It says here that LHR-YYZ is 3556 miles yet AP gives you only 3546 miles - where did the other 10 miles go?

Shareholder Sep 7, 16 6:09 am


Originally Posted by grandgourmand (Post 27177013)
Here'a another question, though...is that co-pay example from YVR-YYZ for $400 a good deal? Seems to me that you could upgrade from flex when checking in for a similar price, with no eups.

Aside from the lotto factor of having any open business class on such a flight a day prior, why would one opt for a $400 copay (as much as twice the fare difference) when the cost difference between a Tango and Flex fare (mid-October) is $528 - $262/$328 = $266/$200? And depending upon one's status, confirm the upgrade many days sooner.

Not to knock this advance. It is nice to have the possibility of upgrading from an award or Tango ticket, but the cost:benefit seems questionable. But then it's similar to AC's weird fares when a Latitude can cost $1,200 while business can be had for $700 on the same flight/route (albeit with restrictions).

The Lev Sep 7, 16 6:27 am


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 27176875)
So anyone know whether SE will or will not pay be responsible for the co-pay in these situations?

Yes we pay the full co-pay - making this enhancement pretty much useless for SE's.

Indeed on a lot of routes right now buying J (P actually) isn't much more expensive than Tango plus co-pay.

Diabeetus Sep 7, 16 6:36 am


Originally Posted by The Lev (Post 27177127)
Yes we pay the full co-pay - making this enhancement pretty much useless for SE's.

Indeed on a lot of routes right now buying J (P actually) isn't much more expensive than Tango plus co-pay.

Like many above, I am unimpressed by the copay for SE. Even the copay amounts themselves seem high to me for domestic routes.

I'd rather just buy the P fare too:
Confirmed J seat
More AQM
Saves Eups for other routes (I.e. TPAC from PY)

Disclaimer: I early qualify for S100k soon.


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