ExpertFlyer and Air Canada- how to read
Hey all,
I am trying out expert flyer as I want to start using it to monitor AC flights and load factor. The following is a parsed bit for a flight I have: J1 C1 D0 Z0 P0 R1 Y2 B1 M1 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 G0 S0 T0 L0 A0 K0 What I am trying to find out is if this flight is worth heading to gate early to try to do a volunteer bump for compensation? From what I read- they have at least 1 business class seat open, and 2 economy class seats open? Does this show standby for this flight? J1 is full fare business C1 is low fare business R1 is upgrade space M1 is full fare economy Y2 is economy...? Is this kind of right? Is this the same across all airlines or only for AC? Thanks! |
In the display in EF, if you click on the fare class you are interested in it will give a pop up that tells you what that class means. Y2 means there are still 2 seats available for sale at full (Latitude) fare in economy. Different airlines use different codes although many are the same across many airlines.
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Start with the fare classes. You're partly right. Here is an official table with all of the fare classes and what buckets they fit in. And it depends slightly on the route. But, roughly:
I'm not sure what bucket PY rewards come from. I'd guess N, but someone here will probably correct me on that. Note that EF doesn't show I space when you search for the flight, you have to do a specific search for rewards seats using that EF function. Is this the same across other airlines? Not at all. Some are fairly consistent (Y is generally the highest economy fare, for instance), but there are plenty of differences, e.g. A is used by UA for domestic F (and maybe international F too, not sure) and C is the highest business class fare on AV. As for your flight, all those numbers tell you is what fares AC is still willing to sell, not how many seats are actually available. Remember that AC is willing to oversell on the hope that people will no-show or change to other flights, or, if not, hoping that VDB or IDB comes out to less than they earned by selling a last-minute fare. So, a flight can be Y2 but be oversold. I'd guess, based on those loads, that it's pretty close to sold out, but not necessarily oversold, since they're still selling a Flex fare (albeit the most expensive kind). But there's no way to be certain from that data. Is it worth going to volunteer for VDB? Could be, but no guarantees. As an E75K though, it's highly unlikely AC would bump you, so volunteering is the only way you'd get paid. |
I don't believe EF shows standby, but if you're trying to get bumped, it doesn't matter if there's one person or fifty on the standby list, that only comes up if there are unsold / no-show seats.
There's no hard and fast rule on this one, but unless it's Y0 I would say your chances of getting VDB'd are pretty low. Obviously this depends on what that flight is - those numbers relate very differently to a 788 flying YYZ-YVR at 6PM on a Friday than they do to an E75 flying YYZ-ORD on a Saturday morning. |
Originally Posted by adam.smith
(Post 27136210)
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As for your flight, all those numbers tell you is what fares AC is still willing to sell, not how many seats are actually available. Remember that AC is willing to oversell on the hope that people will no-show or change to other flights, or, if not, hoping that VDB or IDB comes out to less than they earned by selling a last-minute fare. So, a flight can be Y2 but be oversold. I'd guess, based on those loads, that it's pretty close to sold out, but not necessarily oversold, since they're still selling a Flex fare (albeit the most expensive kind). Is it worth going to volunteer for VDB? Could be, but no guarantees. As an E75K though, it's highly unlikely AC would bump you, so volunteering is the only way you'd get paid. Edit: In the time I typed that it went to J6 C6 D6 Z5 P5 R0 O0 E0 N0 Y0 B0 M0 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 - They are clearly rearranging things now it is almost T-2hours, possibly based on how many people have already shown up at the airport and checked their bags etc. Edit (2): At T-55 minutes it is now back to J4 C4 D4 Z3 P3 R0 O0 E0 N0 Y2 B2 M1 U1 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 - fun fun Edit (3). OpUp happened :) |
Originally Posted by YOWgary
(Post 27136229)
Obviously this depends on what that flight is - those numbers relate very differently to a 788 flying YYZ-YVR at 6PM on a Friday than they do to an E75 flying YYZ-ORD on a Saturday morning.
But you never know. I was on some flight a while ago, early in the day, where it looked heavily oversold but a big tour group (20+, I think) misconnected and it went out with a bunch of empty seats. On the other hand, AC undoubtedly had a big job to do accommodating that large number of people on later flights. Actually, it may not have been AC, I don't remember, but the principle is the same. |
Went to gate to volunteer- were oversold by 4.
Was able to volunteer but 8 people got caught up in immigration so I made it on. Thanks for the info everyone! Really appreciate it! |
That just goes to show you the unpredictability - oversold by 4, but ended up with empty seats (or space for standbys).
Only way to find out is to try. |
Originally Posted by Erome
(Post 27136147)
Hey all,
I am trying out expert flyer as I want to start using it to monitor AC flights and load factor. The following is a parsed bit for a flight I have: J1 C1 D0 Z0 P0 R1 Y2 B1 M1 U0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 G0 S0 T0 L0 A0 K0 What I am trying to find out is if this flight is worth heading to gate early to try to do a volunteer bump for compensation? From what I read- they have at least 1 business class seat open, and 2 economy class seats open? Does this show standby for this flight? J1 is full fare business C1 is low fare business R1 is upgrade space M1 is full fare economy Y2 is economy...? Is this kind of right? Is this the same across all airlines or only for AC? Thanks! |
If something is R0- and J9 C8 D7 Z5 P3 Y9 etc...
Does that mean there is a good chance of the waitlist eupgrade clearing? When do they normally go through the waitlist? At gate, or beforehand sometimes? |
J9 how far before departure?
They go through it at the gate, and sometimes before. |
Originally Posted by Erome
(Post 28664206)
If something is R0- and J9 C8 D7 Z5 P3 Y9 etc...
Does that mean there is a good chance of the waitlist eupgrade clearing? When do they normally go through the waitlist? At gate, or beforehand sometimes? |
Its for YVR-YXE Aug 22nd
SE 100k, on flight pass (M fare) |
Originally Posted by Erome
(Post 28664294)
Its for YVR-YXE Aug 22nd
SE 100k, on flight pass (M fare) Bottom line ... you might be OK, J9 is better than J0 :) but I've seen loads swing quite a lot in the last few days before a flight. |
SE in M on a flight like that? I'd bet on it clearing in advance unless that J number drops waaaay down.
The flight is operated by a CRA, which means they're selling 10 seats, and it's J9. It's quite possible the entire cabin is unsold at this point. |
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