Vancouver Sun : Unfriendly skies
Jun 13, 2016, 3:46 pm
#61
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Now...did you have anything constructive to add regarding TK & YVR, or was the taunt the extent of your contribution?
Jun 13, 2016, 4:15 pm
#62
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Relax and untwist thy knickers. Turkish will be coming to Vancouver, and we've rehashed the rehashed article. If side discussions and additional points were all taken "some place relevant", each thread on this entire forum would be no more than 8 posts in length. However, your point, in all its eloquence, has been taken.
Now...did you have anything constructive to add regarding TK & YVR, or was the taunt the extent of your contribution?
Now...did you have anything constructive to add regarding TK & YVR, or was the taunt the extent of your contribution?
Jun 14, 2016, 4:10 pm
#65
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In all seriousness and keeping to the topic, I'm all for TK starting regular service with one of their 777s on the YVR-IST route - if things stay the way they are now, it would be a nice additional no-YQ option for those of us based here in YVR for using up our AE points.
Jun 14, 2016, 4:23 pm
#66
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In all seriousness and keeping to the topic, I'm all for TK starting regular service with one of their 777s on the YVR-IST route - if things stay the way they are now, it would be a nice additional no-YQ option for those of us based here in YVR for using up our AE points.
You got a thing for climbing over your fellow J passengers?
Jun 14, 2016, 4:43 pm
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I'd be fine with the 333 too so long as TK has refitted it with the new J seats - I flew one of the "older" versions for IST-YUL and didn't like it quite as much as the 777 I took from SFO or even the newer 333 for the short hop from IST to ATH.
Jun 14, 2016, 4:44 pm
#68
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That's the big problem for me with TK and why I don't care whether or not they go to YVR, or even YYC. IST might be conveniently located for onward connections to some places in Asia, but for going to Europe, it's not especially practical from YYC.
LH already flies pretty much everywhere in Europe from FRA, and I can get there direct. LHR has a number of onward *A connections as well, through LH, LX, SN, etc.
And if I go outside *A, BA and KL serve most destinations from LHR/AMS respectively.
When I went to HEL for the World Juniors last year, there were routes on TK that could have gotten me there with way less YQ on AE rewards, but would have taken >30 hours instead of ~12 with AC/LH via FRA. For $500 or whatever it was, not worth it.
Jun 14, 2016, 4:52 pm
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For a lot of people, saving a few bucks in YQ seems to trump pretty much everything else - comfort, schedule, etc.
That's the big problem for me with TK and why I don't care whether or not they go to YVR, or even YYC. IST might be conveniently located for onward connections to some places in Asia, but for going to Europe, it's not especially practical from YYC.
LH already flies pretty much everywhere in Europe from FRA, and I can get there direct. LHR has a number of onward *A connections as well, through LH, LX, SN, etc.
And if I go outside *A, BA and KL serve most destinations from LHR/AMS respectively.
When I went to HEL for the World Juniors last year, there were routes on TK that could have gotten me there with way less YQ on AE rewards, but would have taken >30 hours instead of ~12 with AC/LH via FRA. For $500 or whatever it was, not worth it.
That's the big problem for me with TK and why I don't care whether or not they go to YVR, or even YYC. IST might be conveniently located for onward connections to some places in Asia, but for going to Europe, it's not especially practical from YYC.
LH already flies pretty much everywhere in Europe from FRA, and I can get there direct. LHR has a number of onward *A connections as well, through LH, LX, SN, etc.
And if I go outside *A, BA and KL serve most destinations from LHR/AMS respectively.
When I went to HEL for the World Juniors last year, there were routes on TK that could have gotten me there with way less YQ on AE rewards, but would have taken >30 hours instead of ~12 with AC/LH via FRA. For $500 or whatever it was, not worth it.
Jun 14, 2016, 5:28 pm
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Well...given that a J return TATL can consist of ~$800 each in YQ, that's a savings of $2400 for me so, yes, for me it matters. That's enough to stay another week or more. If I ever manage to get SE status then yes, of course, I'll flip over to AC but in the meantime, TK has got my vote.
If that works for you, great; to each his own. But my comment stands that, for me, TK is irrelevant because my time and comfort are worth more than the YQ.
Jun 14, 2016, 5:43 pm
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The tickets in my example were booked before the SE YQ waiver was in place; the savings of taking 18+ extra hours on TK was about $500 per ticket.
If that works for you, great; to each his own. But my comment stands that, for me, TK is irrelevant because my time and comfort are worth more than the YQ.
If that works for you, great; to each his own. But my comment stands that, for me, TK is irrelevant because my time and comfort are worth more than the YQ.
That said, no idea how interested the average Canadian is in spending an extra 10 hours on their routing.
Jun 14, 2016, 5:46 pm
#72
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We can argue forever about this.
Bottom line is - it would be nice to have a choice - for both revenue and award.
End the protectionist subsidy to AC and allow open skies, using the Australian concept. AC will then have to adapt like QF did in face of real competition.
Bottom line is - it would be nice to have a choice - for both revenue and award.
End the protectionist subsidy to AC and allow open skies, using the Australian concept. AC will then have to adapt like QF did in face of real competition.
Jun 14, 2016, 6:02 pm
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For a lot of people, saving a few bucks in YQ seems to trump pretty much everything else - comfort, schedule, etc.
That's the big problem for me with TK and why I don't care whether or not they go to YVR, or even YYC. IST might be conveniently located for onward connections to some places in Asia, but for going to Europe, it's not especially practical from YYC.
LH already flies pretty much everywhere in Europe from FRA, and I can get there direct. LHR has a number of onward *A connections as well, through LH, LX, SN, etc.
And if I go outside *A, BA and KL serve most destinations from LHR/AMS respectively.
When I went to HEL for the World Juniors last year, there were routes on TK that could have gotten me there with way less YQ on AE rewards, but would have taken >30 hours instead of ~12 with AC/LH via FRA. For $500 or whatever it was, not worth it.
That's the big problem for me with TK and why I don't care whether or not they go to YVR, or even YYC. IST might be conveniently located for onward connections to some places in Asia, but for going to Europe, it's not especially practical from YYC.
LH already flies pretty much everywhere in Europe from FRA, and I can get there direct. LHR has a number of onward *A connections as well, through LH, LX, SN, etc.
And if I go outside *A, BA and KL serve most destinations from LHR/AMS respectively.
When I went to HEL for the World Juniors last year, there were routes on TK that could have gotten me there with way less YQ on AE rewards, but would have taken >30 hours instead of ~12 with AC/LH via FRA. For $500 or whatever it was, not worth it.
Jun 14, 2016, 6:17 pm
#75
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We can argue forever about this.
Bottom line is - it would be nice to have a choice - for both revenue and award.
End the protectionist subsidy to AC and allow open skies, using the Australian concept. AC will then have to adapt like QF did in face of real competition.
Bottom line is - it would be nice to have a choice - for both revenue and award.
End the protectionist subsidy to AC and allow open skies, using the Australian concept. AC will then have to adapt like QF did in face of real competition.