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Air Canada Airbus A330-300 refurbishments

Old Oct 3, 16, 10:53 pm
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Note: please keep this thread to information on the refurbishment program and its progress; for discussion of which seats are best and other details about the interiors, please visit the seating information thread.

A330-300 Fleet Overview

AC currently has three configurations of 333:
  • Dream Cabin (15 aircraft): new configuration more in line with the product on AC's 787 and 777 fleets (seat map)
  • XM (1 aircraft): AC's old configuration dating from the mid-2000s, which is being phased out (seat map)
    • Arrived in HKG for reconfiguration on October 1
  • SQ (2 aircraft): Singapore Airlines configuration, which is being phased out (seat map)
    • Important note: the front cabin on these aircraft is an angle-flat product in a 2-2-2 layout that was SQ's "regional" business class. On flights within North America, AC sells it as J; on international flights, they sell it as PY. These aircraft do not have a normal PY cabin
    • As of October 2023, these aircraft appear to be mostly used on YYZ/YUL-BOG, YUL-ALG, and domestic/TB TCONs (e.g. YUL-YVR/LAX)

The aircraft are gradually being refurbished to the Dream Cabin standard.


Status of Dream Cabin Refurbishment

Code:
32J 24O 241Y: 297 pax
C-GFAF (931) XM configuration [Undergoing refurb at HKG as of Oct 01/23]
C-GFAH (932) Completed @QPG, Aug 10/21 - Oct 05/21 [56 days]
C-GFAJ (933) Completed @QPG, Nov 24/21 - Jan 12/22 [49 days]
C-GFUR (934) Completed @QPG, Oct 08/19 - Feb 28/20 [143 days]
C-GHKR (935) Completed @QPG, Oct 04/21 - Nov 25/21 [52 days]
C-GHKW (936) Completed @HKG, Nov 27/21 - Feb 21/22 [86 days]
C-GHKX (937) Completed @RFD, Sep 02/20 - May 30/21 [271 days]
C-GHLM (938) Completed @HKG, Sep 30/22 - Dec 11/22 [72 days]
C-GEFA (939) Completed @RFD, Dec 31/20 - Mar 29/21 [89 days]
C-GEGC (940) Completed @QPG, May 17/22 - Jul 21/22 [67 days]
C-GEGI (941) Completed @QPG, Jan 10/22 - Mar 11/22 [60 days]
C-GEGP (942) Completed @QPG, Nov 06/19 - Jul 01/20 [238 days]
C-GHKC (943) Completed @HKG, Feb 21/22 - May 05/22 [73 days]
C-GKUG (944) Completed @QPG, Mar 02/20 - Feb 10/21 [345 days]
C-GKUH (945) Completed @RFD, Oct 08/20 - Jan 12/21 [99 days]
C-GOFV (946) SQ configuration [Possibly undergoing refurb at QPG as of Nov 14/23]
C-GOFW (947) Completed @QPG, Feb 03/22 - May 20/22 [107 days]
C-GXZD (948) SQ configuration [Possibly undergoing maintenance or refurb at MZJ as of Nov 08/23]

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Air Canada Airbus A330-300 refurbishments

Old Jun 8, 16, 10:13 am
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Originally Posted by agjil
This is a sad announcement for me, as I love the A side of the mini J cabin on the A330s.
I never risk booking it because if J is lightly booked, they consolidate everyone in the forward J cabin, and then you have no control over where you sit. And, every trip I've been on between YUL and YVR has had a closed-off mini-cabin.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 10:16 am
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Originally Posted by YVR72
I never risk booking it because if J is lightly booked, they consolidate everyone in the forward J cabin, and then you have no control over where you sit. And, every trip I've been on between YUL and YVR has had a closed-off mini-cabin.
I have never been on a flight where the mini cabin is closed off. Plus, I have never been moved to the front cabin if the loads are light.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by Wpgjetse
I have never been on a flight where the mini cabin is closed off. Plus, I have never been moved to the front cabin if the loads are light.
Same here. And I've been the only passenger in that mini cabin on a couple of occasions.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by ac-YUL
The Y cabin will remain 8-across. The current J seats take up a lot of "real estate" on the plane, so by removing the second J cabin, there is a lot of room for PY plus additional Y seats.
Thanks for this update. 9 across on an A330 is inhumane - 16.5" wide. Might as well fly Air Transat at that point. Glad it is not happening.

Do you have any information on the model of Y seats that will be used? Will they keep the current XM vintage, or use something different? Any word on whether there will be extra rows of preferred Y seats (like in the A320/21), or just bulkheads / exit rows?
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Old Jun 8, 16, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Wpgjetse
Yes, the final say is up to the airlines, but the manufactures do sell/market their models and supporting numbers by their cabin set up. Boeing does market the 777 as a 10 across aircraft.
And Airbus markets the 380 as 11 across, and the new Space-Flex galley config which drastically shrinks the bathroom space to fit more seats in.

I'm not trying to say Airbus is worse, merely they both work to produce a product that the buyers want. Boeing launched the 787 as 8 across and the 777 as 9. But demand has changed, and 9 and 10 are the standard. Airbus launched the 380 with 10 across, but has produced a new config that allow 11 based on demand. Time will tell if that too becomes the standard.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by HerpaYvr
That is the big selling feature between Airbus and Boeing as Airbus sells comfort for passengers at 18 and Boeing sell more profit for airlines at 17!
Originally Posted by Wpgjetse
Yes, the final say is up to the airlines, but the manufactures do sell/market their models and supporting numbers by their cabin set up. Boeing does market the 777 as a 10 across aircraft.
Riiiighhht. Are you guys talking about the same Airbus that produces the A340?


"Airbus is also offering an alternative two-class layout which uses narrower economy seats (16.7in wide) to permit nine-abreast seating."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...600-ap-393844/


So much chatter about this company vs that company. This airline vs that airline. Hard to imagine people seriously think for-profit companies would limit $$ potential for "passenger comfort" if an alternative solution would make more money.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 6:33 pm
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Originally Posted by CloudsBelow
So much chatter about this company vs that company. This airline vs that airline. Hard to imagine people seriously think for-profit companies would limit $$ potential for "passenger comfort" if an alternative solution would make more money.
Whats your theory on the serious thinking at JL, TK, BA, CX et al?
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Old Jun 8, 16, 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by rehoult
And Airbus markets the 380 as 11 across, and the new Space-Flex galley config which drastically shrinks the bathroom space to fit more seats in.

I'm not trying to say Airbus is worse, merely they both work to produce a product that the buyers want. Boeing launched the 787 as 8 across and the 777 as 9. But demand has changed, and 9 and 10 are the standard. Airbus launched the 380 with 10 across, but has produced a new config that allow 11 based on demand. Time will tell if that too becomes the standard.
I was not saying Boeing was worse either. Both manufactures are trying to sell aircraft to airline with lower operating costs. Good new for the airlines, bad news for the pax.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 6:51 pm
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Originally Posted by yulred
Whats your theory on the serious thinking at JL, TK, BA, CX et al?
For how long? JL and CX are planning to go to 10 across and BA is now thinking about it.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Wpgjetse
For how long? JL and CX are planning to go to 10 across and BA is now thinking about it.
Source?

JL is operating 787s with 2-4-2 and 34" pitch. Long way away from the 3-3-3 31" AC 787 and the 30-31" we're going to see on these AC 330s.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 7:20 pm
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Originally Posted by CloudsBelow
Riiiighhht. Are you guys talking about the same Airbus that produces the A340?


"Airbus is also offering an alternative two-class layout which uses narrower economy seats (16.7in wide) to permit nine-abreast seating."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...600-ap-393844/


So much chatter about this company vs that company. This airline vs that airline. Hard to imagine people seriously think for-profit companies would limit $$ potential for "passenger comfort" if an alternative solution would make more money.

I just read that, so Airbus is caving in!!!

Oh well, I guess we are all calling Jenny
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Old Jun 8, 16, 7:26 pm
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Originally Posted by yulred
Source?

JL is operating 787s with 2-4-2 and 34" pitch. Long way away from the 3-3-3 31" AC 787 and the 30-31" we're going to see on these AC 330s.
From a FA on a JL fight in Nov. The 787 was first sold as 8 across, but moved to 9 across shortly after it's launch. Since JL and ANA were the first airlines to get the aircraft, they are the only airlines currently with 8 across seating that I know. You can get a lot of info when you fly and are bored.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 7:30 pm
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Originally Posted by HerpaYvr
I just read that, so Airbus is caving in!!!

Oh well, I guess we are all calling Jenny
I can see this for the A340. It is a plane with no use. It's 4 engines make it very expensive to fly, plus other aircraft now have the same or better range. The problem is, the A330 is basically the same aircraft, Sooooooo look out.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 7:39 pm
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Transat has been using 9 across A330's for quite some time now. If AC converted their's to Rouge I expect they would as well, but not for mainline.
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Old Jun 8, 16, 7:47 pm
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Originally Posted by smallmj
Transat has been using 9 across A330's for quite some time now. If AC converted their's to Rouge I expect they would as well, but not for mainline.
Why not, 777 is already a complete dumpster on fire freak show.
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