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Air Canada Airbus A330-300 refurbishments

Old Oct 3, 2016, 10:53 pm
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Note: please keep this thread to information on the refurbishment program and its progress; for discussion of which seats are best and other details about the interiors, please visit the seating information thread.

A330-300 Fleet Overview

AC currently has three two configurations of 333:
  • Dream Cabin (16 aircraft): new configuration more in line with the product on AC's 787 and 777 fleets (seat map)
  • XM: AC's old configuration dating from the mid-2000s, which is being phased out (seat map)
  • SQ (2 aircraft): Singapore Airlines configuration, which is being phased out (seat map)
    • Important note: the front cabin on these aircraft is an angle-flat product in a 2-2-2 layout that was SQ's "regional" business class. On flights within North America, AC sells it as J; on international flights, they sell it as PY. These aircraft do not have a normal PY cabin
    • As of October 2023, these aircraft appear to be mostly used on YYZ/YUL-BOG, YUL-ALG, and domestic/TB TCONs (e.g. YUL-YVR/LAX)

The aircraft are gradually being refurbished to the Dream Cabin standard.


Status of Dream Cabin Refurbishment

Code:
32J 24O 241Y: 297 pax
C-GFAF (931) Completed @HKG, Oct 01/23 - Dec 09/23 [69 days]
C-GFAH (932) Completed @QPG, Aug 10/21 - Oct 05/21 [56 days]
C-GFAJ (933) Completed @QPG, Nov 24/21 - Jan 12/22 [49 days]
C-GFUR (934) Completed @QPG, Oct 08/19 - Feb 28/20 [143 days]
C-GHKR (935) Completed @QPG, Oct 04/21 - Nov 25/21 [52 days]
C-GHKW (936) Completed @HKG, Nov 27/21 - Feb 21/22 [86 days]
C-GHKX (937) Completed @RFD, Sep 02/20 - May 30/21 [271 days]
C-GHLM (938) Completed @HKG, Sep 30/22 - Dec 11/22 [72 days]
C-GEFA (939) Completed @RFD, Dec 31/20 - Mar 29/21 [89 days]
C-GEGC (940) Completed @QPG, May 17/22 - Jul 21/22 [67 days]
C-GEGI (941) Completed @QPG, Jan 10/22 - Mar 11/22 [60 days]
C-GEGP (942) Completed @QPG, Nov 06/19 - Jul 01/20 [238 days]
C-GHKC (943) Completed @HKG, Feb 21/22 - May 05/22 [73 days]
C-GKUG (944) Completed @QPG, Mar 02/20 - Feb 10/21 [345 days]
C-GKUH (945) Completed @RFD, Oct 08/20 - Jan 12/21 [99 days]
C-GOFV (946) SQ configuration
C-GOFW (947) Completed @QPG, Feb 03/22 - May 20/22 [107 days]
C-GXZD (948) Was SQ configuration; TBD [Either maintenance or refurb @MZJ, Nov 08/23 - Jan 20/24 [73 days]]
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Air Canada Airbus A330-300 refurbishments

Old May 19, 2016, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by jasdou
Their strategic plan disclosed that the A333 will go from 265 seats to 292. I can't see that happening without reducing pitch in Y.

It has been rumored that the mini J cabin (which holds 10 J seats) will be reconfigured to PY, most likely 21 seats like the 787 PY cabins. But that would only take you to 276 seats. So you need to gain an additional 16 seats in Y, two full rows, either by reducing seat pitch or by going with slimline seats. There are 30 Y rows so I guess you could take out 2" of pitch per row to squeeze in two additional rows. But that would take you to ACr-type seat pitch.
I don't know if it gives a clue or not but I have a flight in December in AC J on a A333 and the seat map only includes J seats from row 1 to 9. Same thing on ExpertFlyer and seats 10 to 13 are also inexistent and not just "blocked". A PY seats query gives an invalid result and the Y seat map is the current one.
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 1:33 am
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Air Canada Airbus A330-300 refurbish configuration

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...from-feb-2017/

Air Canada in recent schedule update has revealed planned Airbus A330-300 aircraft in 3-class configuration, featuring Premium Economy. The re-configured A330 sees a configuration of J27W21Y244, total 292 seats with aircraft code 33H. The new 3-class A330 aircraft is scheduled to enter operation as early as Feb 2017, although further changes is highly possible.
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 1:35 am
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So the mini cabin is replaced by PY, and they're going 9 across.

Not exactly surprising. But upgrades will be harder.
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 4:09 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
So the mini cabin is replaced by PY, and they're going 9 across.

Not exactly surprising. But upgrades will be harder.
I think they will remove lavatory at 2R and squeeze another 2 rows of Y in the existing space !
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by Q Shoe Guy
I think they will remove lavatory at 2R and squeeze another 2 rows of Y in the existing space !
Yes. there are only going to be 16 more Y seats, so this seems much more likely than 9 across. 9 across would add 25-30 more (depending on how they deal with the narrowing at the back).
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
So the mini cabin is replaced by PY, and they're going 9 across.

Not exactly surprising. But upgrades will be harder.
The Y cabin will remain 8-across. The current J seats take up a lot of "real estate" on the plane, so by removing the second J cabin, there is a lot of room for PY plus additional Y seats.
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 8:19 am
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Will the new Y be new Y seats or the older seats?
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 9:10 am
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Also, will they reduce pitch in Y to make room for more preferred seats? Some folks here have said that the A330 Y seats are among the most comfortable Y in the fleet. That doesn't make it easy to sell preferred. But reduced pitch and maybe slimline seats could easily up the sales of preferred.

I don't want them to reduce pitch, but it seems to be AC's standard operating practice.
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 9:16 am
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Originally Posted by smallmj
Also, will they reduce pitch in Y to make room for more preferred seats? Some folks here have said that the A330 Y seats are among the most comfortable Y in the fleet. That doesn't make it easy to sell preferred. But reduced pitch and maybe slimline seats could easily up the sales of preferred.

I don't want them to reduce pitch, but it seems to be AC's standard operating practice.
+1 that AC 330 Y seats are very comfortable
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by smallmj
Also, will they reduce pitch in Y to make room for more preferred seats? Some folks here have said that the A330 Y seats are among the most comfortable Y in the fleet. That doesn't make it easy to sell preferred. But reduced pitch and maybe slimline seats could easily up the sales of preferred.

I don't want them to reduce pitch, but it seems to be AC's standard operating practice.
The A333 Y seats are indeed the most comfortable at 18" seat width and good seat pitch, but perhaps that's exactly why AC might get rid of them. Why make travellers comfortable when you can make them suffer so they'll pay to NOT suffer next time?
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 9:30 am
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So, based on ac-YUL's post, they're pulling out the J seats in the mini-cabin and replacing them with a mix of PY and Y seats so as to get the J27W21Y244 configuration. Can they realistically leave the rest of the cabin untouched? Logically, they'd have to at the very least change the IFE so it's consistent across the plane, no?
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 9:31 am
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This is a sad announcement for me, as I love the A side of the mini J cabin on the A330s.
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 9:34 am
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That is the big selling feature between Airbus and Boeing as Airbus sells comfort for passengers at 18 and Boeing sell more profit for airlines at 17!

I like the A330, too bad there are only 10 in the fleet! Looking forward to my J flight Milan - YYZ in July.
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by HerpaYvr
That is the big selling feature between Airbus and Boeing as Airbus sells comfort for passengers at 18 and Boeing sell more profit for airlines at 17!

I like the A330, too bad there are only 10 in the fleet! Looking forward to my J flight Milan - YYZ in July.
This is a commonly misunderstood thing in aviation.

It's up to the operators to figure out how they want to configure their cabin. (legally of course).
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
This is a commonly misunderstood thing in aviation.

It's up to the operators to figure out how they want to configure their cabin. (legally of course).
Yes, the final say is up to the airlines, but the manufactures do sell/market their models and supporting numbers by their cabin set up. Boeing does market the 777 as a 10 across aircraft.
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