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Air Canada Airbus A330-300 refurbish configuration

Air Canada Airbus A330-300 refurbish configuration

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Seeing how this thread/wiki is now somewhat "outdated" in that the PY config has been completed for awhile, I figured it would be a good time to give it a refresh and make it an overall refurb thread, with plans for completion by mid-2020. Please see the bottom of this wiki for the latest.

For the time being and consistency of formatting and information, please update any new information in a post and I (yyznomad) will update the wiki accordingly. Please and thank you!
  • Others may leverage this thread as the 333 refurb master thread for all cabins, including the four SQ birds from TP ("The Lions")
  • There have been anecdotal mentions of the SQ birds in recent threads, but the original mention was in this thread, posted by ChrisA330 in post 268
  • Tangible and sustained discussion surrounding a full refurb begins roughly in earnest at post 264: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-...ration-18.html
  • Of course, discussion remains open to any cabin, including the now completed PY cabin of the existing A330-300s in the fleet.

Quick Summary on the SQ "Lions"
  • Acquired by TP from SQ in 2017; to be acquired by AC prior to mid-2019.
  • Current TP registrations: 1. CS-TOU; 2. CS-TOV; 3. CS-TOW; 4. CS-TOX
  • Future AC registrations/FINs: C-GEFA 939; C-GEGC 940; C-GEGI 941; C-GEGP 942
  • Will have original SQ configuration and interiors (not TP) before being refurbished by AC
  • Front cabin was sold as SQ Z/TP C but will be sold as AC O ("PY") [O30/Y255]
  • Flights with these aircraft are currently being sold by AC starting June 2019.
  • Front cabin seat details: Pitch=60"; Width=24.5"
  • Front cabin config: 5 rows of 2-2-2
  • Y cabin seat details: Pitch=32"; Width=19.0"
  • Y cabin config: 2-4-2
  • To be deployed on the following routes:
    • YULDUB 15JUN2019 AC818 YUL2115 0830+1DUB 333 x246; AC819 DUB1015 1205YUL 333 x246
    • YVRDUB ??JUN2019 AC862 YVR1520 0830+1DUB 333 x246; AC863 DUB1015 1140YVR 333 x246
    • YULALG 06JUN2019 AC810 YUL2115 - 1000+1ALG 333 x???; AC811 ALG1300 - 1635YUL 333 x??? (these are the former YYZIST route flight numbers)

Current SQ Seatmap:
(this is linked to SeatGuru, so might break in the future)




Thanks to ChrisA330 and ACYYZ/SD for providing additional SQ/TP information for this forum:


Originally Posted by ChrisA330 View Post
An interesting article on OMAAT this morning about the 4 new A330's joining the fleet.

There are now flying with TP, but originally from SQ. When the new Fins are introduced they will not be reconfigured to AC's standards, so the original SQ regional business class seat will still exist until the end of 2019. These will instead be sold as PE, and not J.

https://onemileatatime.com/air-canad...irlines-a330s/
Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD View Post
These seats will be a very comfy interim PY product as they are actually last/recent-generation J seats.

It appears from airfleets.net, these are original 2009-build SQ aircraft and currently 4 odd-ball A330-343X models flying for TP within their mainstay A330-200 fleet.
Current registration models: CS-TOU/TOV/TOW/TOX. They will be delivered in their current C30/Y255 configuration until refurbished in late 2019 with AC.

Great seating with PY pricing.

Anecdotal/related threads started after ChrisA330's original SQ/TP post above:
There is good video review of the new Air Canada A330 business class seat below.
- TV is smaller
- Less storage face
- Seat is not inflatable, cushioning is not adjustable - no chance of inflategate
- Less sleeping space around legs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7f4K2Jco44


Thanks to 24left for pictures of the regional SQ A330-343 Z cabin, to be sold as AC O (PY):



Originally Posted by 24left View Post
Indeed.

I've flown these SQ birds on a few regional flights, often SQ 878 SIN-TPE on their 333. Here are my seats.

And I don't mind taking the heat from the AC forum for saying this.....ah, if only these aircraft came with even some of the awesome meals and service as noted in my posts on the SQ forum

And SQ seats don't deflate.

(warning, food porn)
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/26438545-post481.html

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27080590-post587.html

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27080598-post588.html



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Below is the original wiki content outlining the PY refurb. As additional information arrives regarding the full refurb including the SQ birds, the below information can be leveraged.


New Seat Map: https://www.aircanada.com/content/da...330-300-01.jpg

Latest updates from ChrisA330 as of October 29, 2019:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/31678722-post548.html

Originally Posted by ChrisA330 View Post
A summary of potential refurbishment status:

'New' A330s delivered in 2019:
C-GEGP/FIN 942: delivered from LIS to YMX on Oct 11. Currently at YMX
C-GKUH/FIN 945: Ferried from QPG to YVR on Oct 27. Ferried onwards to MZJ on Oct 29

Original A330s:
C-GFUR/FIN 934: Ferried YYZ-HND-QPG on Oct 8. Currently at QPG
C-GHLM/FIN 938: Ferried YYZ-MLB on Oct 24. Currently at MLB
Dream Cabin Refurb
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Aircraft Tracking (last updated Apr 8, 2020)
 Plane Status Location Details
 
 333 (32J-24O-241Y : 297 pax)
 C-GFAF-931
 C-GFAH-932
 C-GFAJ-933
 C-GFUR-934 Mod Complete Loc:QPG In:Oct 08/19 Out:Feb 28/20 143 days
 C-GHKR-935
 C-GHKW-936
 C-GHKX-937
 C-GHLM-938
 C-GEFA-939
 C-GEGC-940
 C-GEGI-941
 C-GEGP-942 Mod Complete Loc:QPG In:Nov 06/19 Out:Jul 01/20 238 days
 C-GOFW-943 or 944 (TBC)
 C-GKUG-943 or 944 (TBC) Retrofitting Loc:QPG In Mar 02/20
 C-GKUH-945 Stored Loc:MZJ

Premium Economy Refurb
Code:
Aircraft Tracking (last updated Mar 20, 2017)
 Plane Status Location Details
 
 333 (27J-21O-244Y : 292 pax)
 C-GFAF-931 Mod Complete Loc:SIN In:Dec 19/16 Out:Feb 08/17 51 days
 C-GFAH-932 Mod Complete Loc:QPG In:Nov 05/16 Out:Feb 03/17 90 days
 C-GFAJ-933 Mod Complete Loc:QPG In:Oct 14/16 Out:Dec 02/16 49 days
 C-GFUR-934 Mod Complete Loc:QPG In:Feb 09/17 Out:Mar 08/07 27 days
 C-GHKR-935 Mod Complete Loc:SIN In:Jan 12/17 Out:Feb 17/17 36 days
 C-GHKW-936 Mod Complete Loc:QPG In:Nov 14/16 Out:Dec 19/16 35 days
 C-GHKX-937 Mod Complete Loc:QPG In:Feb 02/17 Out:Mar 20/17 46 days
 C-GHLM-938 Mod Complete Loc:QPG In:Sep 24/16 Out:Nov 12/16 49 days



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Old May 18, 16, 5:28 am
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A330 PE reconfig starting soon?

With the 777 reconfig almost done, does this mean that the A330's will start getting PE seating soon? It was announced at the same time as the 777 reconfig, though from the press release it sounded like it would happen after the 777's were done.

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=824

According to the contractor, the work will begin in Q3, and that could be as early as 6 weeks from now. Though I imagine that they won't start until after the summer busy season.

http://www.stengg.com/press-centre/p...ith-air-canada

They said that the Y cabin would be enlarged, and I can just imagine them sliding the Y's back an inch or two to create a couple more rows of preferred Y. I hope that doesn't happen, at least not until after I fly YUL-BRU in August.

The press release also mentions integrating the IFE system. Would that mean no more legroom killing AV boxes under certain seats?
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Old May 18, 16, 6:42 am
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They said that the Y cabin would be enlarged, and I can just imagine them sliding the Y's back an inch or two to create a couple more rows of preferred Y. I hope that doesn't happen, at least not until after I fly YUL-BRU in August.
This seems to suggest replacing the existing Y seats, with the new slimline bum numbing variety
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Old May 18, 16, 6:55 am
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Originally Posted by mrooywg View Post
This seems to suggest replacing the existing Y seats, with the new slimline bum numbing variety …
..............More like torture chamber.
Coming soon, A330 Epic Fail
Coming in 2019 737 Max Epic Fail

Looks like even YVR-YUL is no longer safe

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Old May 18, 16, 7:35 am
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Other reports said that the Y and J cabins would be untouched. Anyone have knowledge of what will really happen?
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Old May 18, 16, 7:44 am
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Originally Posted by smallmj View Post
Other reports said that the Y and J cabins would be untouched. Anyone have knowledge of what will really happen?
It's actually in the Press Release you linked to:

Air Canada will also reconfigure its fleet of eight Airbus A330-300 aircraft to offer customers the option of its new Premium Economy cabin. The current Economy and International Business Class cabins of its A330-300 fleet will remain unchanged.
From their Q4 2015 MD&A:

Conversion of the Airbus A330 aircraft is expected to begin in the second half of 2016 for
completion during the first quarter of 2017
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Old May 18, 16, 8:10 am
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So the question is, is AC going to remove J seats to make space for PY seats, or remove Y seats?
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Old May 18, 16, 8:15 am
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Originally Posted by Jumper Jack View Post
..............More like torture chamber.
Coming soon, A330 Epic Fail
Coming in 2019 737 Max Epic Fail

Looks like even YVR-YUL is no longer safe
Heh. Time to enjoy it while it lasts.
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Old May 18, 16, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by agjil View Post
So the question is, is AC going to remove J seats to make space for PY seats, or remove Y seats?
Their strategic plan disclosed that the A333 will go from 265 seats to 292. I can't see that happening without reducing pitch in Y.

It has been rumored that the mini J cabin (which holds 10 J seats) will be reconfigured to PY, most likely 21 seats like the 787 PY cabins. But that would only take you to 276 seats. So you need to gain an additional 16 seats in Y, two full rows, either by reducing seat pitch or by going with slimline seats. There are 30 Y rows so I guess you could take out 2" of pitch per row to squeeze in two additional rows. But that would take you to ACr-type seat pitch.
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Old May 18, 16, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by jasdou View Post
Their strategic plan disclosed that the A333 will go from 265 seats to 292. I can't see that happening without reducing pitch in Y.

It has been rumored that the mini J cabin (which holds 10 J seats) will be reconfigured to PY, most likely 21 seats like the 787 PY cabins. But that would only take you to 276 seats. So you need to gain an additional 16 seats in Y, two full rows, either by reducing seat pitch or by going with slimline seats. There are 30 Y rows so I guess you could take out 2" of pitch per row to squeeze in two additional rows. But that would take you to ACr-type seat pitch.
I bet they squeeze pitch to 31-32" and remove 1 or 2 lavs.
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Originally Posted by jasdou View Post
Their strategic plan disclosed that the A333 will go from 265 seats to 292. I can't see that happening without reducing pitch in Y.

It has been rumored that the mini J cabin (which holds 10 J seats) will be reconfigured to PY, most likely 21 seats like the 787 PY cabins. But that would only take you to 276 seats. So you need to gain an additional 16 seats in Y, two full rows, either by reducing seat pitch or by going with slimline seats. There are 30 Y rows so I guess you could take out 2" of pitch per row to squeeze in two additional rows. But that would take you to ACr-type seat pitch.
would that also not be the 788/789 pitch? roughly?
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Old May 18, 16, 10:17 am
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would that also not be the 788/789 pitch? roughly?
Not according to the AC website. 788/789 has a reported seat pitch of 31" and 333 is 31-33" depending on the row. I guess if they put all rows at 31" and mess around with the lavs, it could work. ACr 767 has a reported seat pitch of 30".

I will miss those 33" pitch rows on the 333!
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever View Post
would that also not be the 788/789 pitch? roughly?
Yes, but with slimline seats. With regular old-style seats, 30-31" pitch would be equal to the A319 Rouge experience. Great for transatlantic flights!
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Originally Posted by agjil View Post
So the question is, is AC going to remove J seats to make space for PY seats, or remove Y seats?
I'm betting that they remove the second J cabin and possibly the lav, galley and closet after the #2R door and replace with three rows of PE and 2 rows of Y. This would allow them to leave the rest of the J and Y cabins intact.

That would still leave them with 8 lavs - same number as on the 77L seating 300.
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Originally Posted by ChrisA330 View Post
It's actually in the Press Release you linked to:



From their Q4 2015 MD&A:
So they're going to add PY, but leave the J and Y cabins unchanged?

I'd be interested to see how they can possibly accomplish that
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Old May 19, 16, 12:12 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow View Post
So they're going to add PY, but leave the J and Y cabins unchanged?

I'd be interested to see how they can possibly accomplish that
By turning the lavs into PY seats? Or installing a PY seat in the galley?
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