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Old Oct 3, 2016, 9:53 pm
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Note: please keep this thread to information on the refurbishment program and its progress; for discussion of which seats are best and other details about the interiors, please visit the seating information thread.

A330-300 Fleet Overview

AC currently has two configurations of 333:
  • Dream Cabin (16 aircraft): Latest 3-class configuration in line with the 787 and 777 fleets (seat map)
  • The "Merlions" (2 aircraft): ex-Singapore Airlines 2-class configuration (seat map), which are expected to be reconfigured to the Dream Cabin.
    • Important note: the front cabin on these aircraft is an angle-flat product in a 2-2-2 layout that was SQ's "regional" business class. On flights within North America, AC sells it as J; on international flights, they sell it as PY. These aircraft do not have the standard AC PY cabin
    • Since October 2023, these aircraft primarily operate YYZ>BOG>YUL triangle, and YUL<>LAX.
Status of Dream Cabin Refurbishment

Code:
32J 24O 241Y: 297 pax
C-GFAF (931) Completed @HKG, Oct 01/23 - Dec 09/23 [69 days]
C-GFAH (932) Completed @QPG, Aug 10/21 - Oct 05/21 [56 days]
C-GFAJ (933) Completed @QPG, Nov 24/21 - Jan 12/22 [49 days]
C-GFUR (934) Completed @QPG, Oct 08/19 - Feb 28/20 [143 days]
C-GHKR (935) Completed @QPG, Oct 04/21 - Nov 25/21 [52 days]
C-GHKW (936) Completed @HKG, Nov 27/21 - Feb 21/22 [86 days]
C-GHKX (937) Completed @RFD, Sep 02/20 - May 30/21 [271 days]
C-GHLM (938) Completed @HKG, Sep 30/22 - Dec 11/22 [72 days]
C-GEFA (939) Completed @RFD, Dec 31/20 - Mar 29/21 [89 days]
C-GEGC (940) Completed @QPG, May 17/22 - Jul 21/22 [67 days]
C-GEGI (941) Completed @QPG, Jan 10/22 - Mar 11/22 [60 days]
C-GEGP (942) Completed @QPG, Nov 06/19 - Jul 01/20 [238 days]
C-GHKC (943) Completed @HKG, Feb 21/22 - May 05/22 [73 days]
C-GKUG (944) Completed @QPG, Mar 02/20 - Feb 10/21 [345 days]
C-GKUH (945) Completed @RFD, Oct 08/20 - Jan 12/21 [99 days]
C-GOFV (946) SQ configuration
C-GOFW (947) Completed @QPG, Feb 03/22 - May 20/22 [107 days]
C-GXZD (948) SQ configuration
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Old Mar 15, 2018, 8:55 pm
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A333 PE Cabin Same Config Domestic/Intl - Row 14

Originally Posted by Orcair
^, Row 14 has full recline to the bulkhead too, which as someone who always feels guilty about reclining, I enjoy this feature a lot!
Absolutely loving this too!! But my question is: is this PE cabin the same config for all A333 in the AC fleet? I fly YUL YVR and always sit in 14, but is it the same cabin on the YUL LYS flight?
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Old Mar 15, 2018, 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by kvroe
Absolutely loving this too!! But my question is: is this PE cabin the same config for all A333 in the AC fleet? I fly YUL YVR and always sit in 14, but is it the same cabin on the YUL LYS flight?
All A330s have the same cabin config.
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Old Apr 10, 2018, 9:36 pm
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I was speaking with a 330 Captain today, and he mentioned some things I found interesting.

1. The most senior 330 pilots fly the YUL-YVR route because they get their hours in and still can be home at night.
2. The reconfig for the newer J cabin is starting very soon.
3. AC wanted more 330s, but was having trouble finding available ones with the same engine manufacturer, and they only want additional 330s with the same engine manufacturer.
4. He and others that fly the type are very fond of the planes and happy AC is continuing to keep them in the fleet and with a new J cabin, indicates a longer term plan.
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Old Apr 11, 2018, 3:07 am
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Originally Posted by Rundosrun
3. AC wanted more 330s, but was having trouble finding available ones with the same engine manufacturer, and they only want additional 330s with the same engine manufacturer.
That makes a lot of sense from a hardware maintenance point of view.
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Old Apr 11, 2018, 3:30 am
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Originally Posted by Rundosrun
I was speaking with a 330 Captain today, and he mentioned some things I found interesting.

1. The most senior 330 pilots fly the YUL-YVR route because they get their hours in and still can be home at night.
2. The reconfig for the newer J cabin is starting very soon.
3. AC wanted more 330s, but was having trouble finding available ones with the same engine manufacturer, and they only want additional 330s with the same engine manufacturer.
4. He and others that fly the type are very fond of the planes and happy AC is continuing to keep them in the fleet and with a new J cabin, indicates a longer term plan.
What's too bad about the A330s is how below par the PY is. I unfortunately get caught with it all the time as A330s typically run ZRH-YYZ.
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Old Apr 11, 2018, 8:58 am
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Does this configuration make sense for AC ?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...the-cargo-hold

The European jetmaker is working with seat manufacturer Zodiac Aerospace on the design and construction of lie-flat beds to fit in lower-deck cargo areas. The berths will initially be offered on Airbus A330 widebody aircraft from 2020, the companies said Tuesday at a conference in Hamburg.
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Old Apr 11, 2018, 12:31 pm
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So the A333s are finally getting the new J seats?
I wonder if they're going to keep the 1-1-1 config for the new seats.
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Old Apr 11, 2018, 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by agjil
So the A333s are finally getting the new J seats?
I wonder if they're going to keep the 1-1-1 config for the new seats.
The cabin is wide enough for 1-2-1. Off the top of my head, VA uses the same (or almost identical) product on their A330s in a 1-2-1 layout.
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Old Apr 11, 2018, 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by SilverChris
The cabin is wide enough for 1-2-1. Off the top of my head, VA uses the same (or almost identical) product on their A330s in a 1-2-1 layout.
Yeah I think 1-2-1 is probably more realistic, as they already configured the smaller B788s to 1-2-1 as well.
I will miss the days of sitting in the A seats on AC's A333s with the old pods.
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Old Apr 11, 2018, 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Rundosrun
3. AC wanted more 330s, but was having trouble finding available ones with the same engine manufacturer, and they only want additional 330s with the same engine manufacturer.
Originally Posted by smallmj
That makes a lot of sense from a hardware maintenance point of view.
It does make sense to stick with one engine, but the feedback that they are having a hard time finding more is interesting given that Rolls Royce's Trent 700 has 60% of the A330 market. Perhaps a sign that RR customers are happy and the only aircraft being unloaded come with GE or PW powerplants.
https://www.rolls-royce.com/products...ion-technology
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Old Apr 11, 2018, 1:45 pm
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Originally Posted by agjil
Yeah I think 1-2-1 is probably more realistic, as they already configured the smaller B788s to 1-2-1 as well.
I will miss the days of sitting in the A seats on AC's A333s with the old pods.
Actually, the 788's cabin is wider than the A333's. The difference is only about 15", but it's there.
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Old Apr 11, 2018, 1:59 pm
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It also looks like Rockwell Collins is developing a 3 abreast Super Diamond seat for A330/B787, which I assume would enable greater density while putting them at a more extreme angle compared with the aisle.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/0...siness-option/
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 8:36 am
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Singapore, 10 April 2018 – ST Aerospace announced today that it secured a letter of intent for a contract from Air Canada to perform interior reconfiguration on part of the airline’s A330-300 fleet. The new cabin interiors for Air Canada’s A330-300 fleet will be harmonised with its Boeing 787 aircraft.

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpre...330-300-fleet/
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by WildcatYXU
Actually, the 788's cabin is wider than the A333's. The difference is only about 15", but it's there.
So if 1-2-1 in J, it will either be slightly narrower rows while keeping the same "width" of J seat, or the J seats become slightly narrower, like the 777 ones where the little entrance space between the seat pop-up armest and the backwall of the seat in front is narrower than the 787s. (this is purely a guess on my part)
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by yyznomad
So if 1-2-1 in J, it will either be slightly narrower rows while keeping the same "width" of J seat, or the J seats become slightly narrower, like the 777 ones where the little entrance space between the seat pop-up armest and the backwall of the seat in front is narrower than the 787s. (this is purely a guess on my part)
It seems to me the entrance to the 777 set is narrower because, to take advantage of the larger width, they are more angled than those of the 787. Given that the 333 is even a bit narrower, the seats should be even less angled, hence taking more space lengthwise, and feeling wider. Even though I suspect the square footage used remains more or less the same in all cases.
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