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DrunkCargo May 16, 2016 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by YOWgary (Post 26636581)
Selling status is a pretty clear violation of Terms of Service.

Not to take a tangent and not saying I condone selling , but where is this in the Terms and Conditions (which seems to be the wording of choice by AC) of Altitude?

Further, the only wording I can find related to "Altitude Elite 50K status for a friend" (or 35K for E75k) is this: "Choose this Select Privilege and award Altitude Elite 50K status to a friend, valid through February 28, 2017. Note that this friend must be chosen prior October 15, 2016."

I believe "friend" can mean anyone known to the status holder, whether it be random seatmate met on a random flight, to someone who has provided consideration for friendship.

Again, I am not saying I think this is classy, nor do I condone it. But strictly speaking, I'm not sure where Air Canada could take legal issue with it.

eigenvector May 16, 2016 10:24 pm


Originally Posted by YZF_Elite (Post 26636667)
I'm all for extra segments/flying, but I'm missing something regarding why you'd want to work so hard to get to E50 if we're almost halfway through the year and you only have 5,000 miles in seat so far. Do you have a lot of flying for the second half of the year or next year you want to do in comfort or just for the fun of getting there? I'm all for it, just not fully understanding.

5,748 AQM could be as much as 23,000 BIS miles if flown in domestic Tango, or more than 5 YVR-YYZ roundtrips. It's not a massive amount of flying but not inconsiderable either.

yyznomad May 16, 2016 10:27 pm

I typically do 50K AQM on a Tuesday, so yeah. Meh.

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YOWgary May 16, 2016 10:37 pm


Originally Posted by DrunkCargo (Post 26636691)
Not to take a tangent and not saying I condone selling , but where is this in the Terms and Conditions (which seems to be the wording of choice by AC) of Altitude?

Further, the only wording I can find related to "Altitude Elite 50K status for a friend" (or 35K for E75k) is this: "Choose this Select Privilege and award Altitude Elite 50K status to a friend, valid through February 28, 2017. Note that this friend must be chosen prior October 15, 2016."

I went to pull the exact terms about selling Aeroplan miles, but of course the site is down for maintenance.

While it doesn't specifically forbid this one practice, this blanket statement seems like it'd be pretty easy for AC to invoke:


"Air Canada Altitude status is a privilege, which can be revoked by Air Canada at its discretion. Any act or omission by the Air Canada Altitude member or anyone acting on his/her behalf which is detrimental to Air Canada or any one of its partners in Air Canada Altitude."

"[This] may result in any or all of the following: revocation of membership, prohibition of membership for a number of years regardless of flying activity, revocation of mileage accumulation as part of Air Canada Altitude, without prejudice to any other rights or recourses of Air Canada, including but not limited to the right to recover damages."

yyznomad May 16, 2016 10:46 pm


Originally Posted by DrunkCargo (Post 26636691)
Not to take a tangent and not saying I condone selling , but where is this in the Terms and Conditions (which seems to be the wording of choice by AC) of Altitude?

Further, the only wording I can find related to "Altitude Elite 50K status for a friend" (or 35K for E75k) is this: "Choose this Select Privilege and award Altitude Elite 50K status to a friend, valid through February 28, 2017. Note that this friend must be chosen prior October 15, 2016."

I believe "friend" can mean anyone known to the status holder, whether it be random seatmate met on a random flight, to someone who has provided consideration for friendship.

Again, I am not saying I think this is classy, nor do I condone it. But strictly speaking, I'm not sure where Air Canada could take legal issue with it.

Try selling something AC on eBay or craigslist or Kijiji and let me know what happens. :)

YEGcg May 16, 2016 11:27 pm

I'm buying not selling. PM for deets.

haolaowai_org May 16, 2016 11:29 pm


Originally Posted by YZF_Elite (Post 26636667)
I'm all for extra segments/flying, but I'm missing something regarding why you'd want to work so hard to get to E50 if we're almost halfway through the year and you only have 5,000 miles in seat so far. Do you have a lot of flying for the second half of the year or next year you want to do in comfort or just for the fun of getting there? I'm all for it, just not fully understanding.

It's a fair question. I just want the status and lounge access :)
http://flightdiary.net/chineseman/2016
22 flights and 24770 miles so far this year... just that a majority of it wasn't with AC, especially the longer haul ones. Hence if I get E50K, I get star alliance lounge access (I think)

DrunkCargo May 16, 2016 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by YOWgary (Post 26636760)
I went to pull the exact terms about selling Aeroplan miles, but of course the site is down for maintenance.

While it doesn't specifically forbid this one practice, this blanket statement seems like it'd be pretty easy for AC to invoke:


"Air Canada Altitude status is a privilege, which can be revoked by Air Canada at its discretion. Any act or omission by the Air Canada Altitude member or anyone acting on his/her behalf which is detrimental to Air Canada or any one of its partners in Air Canada Altitude."

"[This] may result in any or all of the following: revocation of membership, prohibition of membership for a number of years regardless of flying activity, revocation of mileage accumulation as part of Air Canada Altitude, without prejudice to any other rights or recourses of Air Canada, including but not limited to the right to recover damages."


Yes, this blanket statement... It is detrimental to:
- Redeem miles
- Use the MLL on status
- Actually fly the ticket purchased, weighing the plane down
- Drink an extra coke onboard
- Use the lav more than once per 4-hr segment
- Waste TP wiping the lav seat before sitting
- Break a glass unintentionally onboard
- Use your 3-bag allowance
- Use your eUpgrades
etc... essentially, it is detrimental to actually use your privileges.

So then, is it not equally detrimental to:
- Use your selected privilege to Gift status to a Friend?

Is there some clear threshold?

wrt to Aeroplan policy, I'm not sure that is relevant to Altitude privilege use.


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 26636790)
Try selling something AC on eBay or craigslist or Kijiji and let me know what happens. :)

Again, not something of interest to me to engage in... However, I suspect a court would feel differently about this if challenged... While I think such behaviour is not in the "spirit" of the program, I think it's actually dangerous territory for AC (or any airline) to tread in legally. "Spirit" is not in the contract as far as I know.

yyznomad May 16, 2016 11:32 pm


Originally Posted by DrunkCargo (Post 26636916)

Again, not something of interest to me to engage in... However, I suspect a court would feel differently about this if challenged... While I think such behaviour is not in the "spirit" of the program, I think it's actually dangerous territory for AC (or any airline) to tread in legally. "Spirit" is not in the contract as far as I know.

You've piqued my interest. Next time we meet again, I have a story to tell you.

DrunkCargo May 16, 2016 11:44 pm


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 26636924)
You've piqued my interest. Next time we meet again, I have a story to tell you.

Tried to pm you but it failed. I guess, pm me a contact method. That is, unless I should have picked up on some sarcasm. My wit is super slow.

yyznomad May 16, 2016 11:46 pm


Originally Posted by DrunkCargo (Post 26636968)
Tried to pm you but it failed. I guess, pm me a contact method. That is, unless I should have picked up on some sarcasm. My wit is super slow.

I was being legit.

My PM inbox remains over-quota on purpose. :)

Will you be at the YVR DO in June?

DrunkCargo May 16, 2016 11:50 pm


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 26636975)
I was being legit.

My PM inbox remains over-quota on purpose. :)

Will you be at the YVR DO in June?

Yep. And I understand the PM thing too. =)

But I might be interested in chatting before May 31.


More on the point of the thread though, why has nobody mentioned the C$108 tango YVR-YYJ fares you can use to bang off like 10 segments a day? Keep the revenue in AC... I mean, if you're going to bottomfeed why not at least throw some pity at AC?

m.y May 16, 2016 11:52 pm


Originally Posted by haolaowai_org (Post 26636907)
It's a fair question. I just want the status and lounge access :)
http://flightdiary.net/chineseman/2016
22 flights and 24770 miles so far this year... just that a majority of it wasn't with AC, especially the longer haul ones. Hence if I get E50K, I get star alliance lounge access (I think)

You could just buy a Maple Leaf Club worldwide pass for $655, far cheaper than any mileage run.

https://www.airclublounge.com/AC/en/...ips/index.html

If you only book Tango, then the E-upgrades are useless. If you don't fly that much (or only book lowest fares), then bonus miles aren't worth that much either. I suppose if you check bags often then 35K or 50K may be valuable.

YOWgary May 16, 2016 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by DrunkCargo (Post 26636916)
Yes, this blanket statement... It is detrimental to:
- Redeem miles
- Use the MLL on status
- Actually fly the ticket purchased, weighing the plane down
- Drink an extra coke onboard
- Use the lav more than once per 4-hr segment
- Waste TP wiping the lav seat before sitting
- Break a glass unintentionally onboard
- Use your 3-bag allowance
- Use your eUpgrades
etc... essentially, it is detrimental to actually use your privileges.

I absolutely don't have the energy for an Internet slap-fight.

I believe re-selling your Altitude privileges for profit would be pretty open-and-shut grounds to invoke that clause, wholly different from the things you listed.

You are welcome to disagree.

yyznomad May 17, 2016 12:01 am


Originally Posted by YOWgary (Post 26637004)
I absolutely don't have the energy for an Internet slap-fight.

I believe re-selling your Altitude privileges for profit would be pretty open-and-shut grounds to invoke that clause, wholly different from the things you listed.

You are welcome to disagree.

This is where your comfort skunk would come in handy... Non? :D


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