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Originally Posted by sweden05
(Post 28085805)
When I went through around 4pm Friday, there was no line whatsoever at OSS. Probably four customs agents working, and no wait. So Nexus machines wouldn't have helped.
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Originally Posted by ls17031
(Post 28085329)
MEX-DEN-YYZ pax would be rescreened by TSA at DEN to TSA standards. OSS eligibilty would be applicable from that point onwards.
Originally Posted by ls17031
(Post 28085329)
You are confusing OSS, which is a Transport Canada / CATSA program, with ITD which falls under the purview of the CBSA.
Once can certainly be OSS eligible but completely incapable of benefiting from due to CBSA processing needs such as you mention. |
Originally Posted by Kumulani
(Post 28086754)
Why would someone not be eligible due to their origin airport? Wouldn't someone flying MEX-DEN-YYZ have gone through TSA screening in DEN and thus be just as compliant with Canada's security standards as someone who started in DEN?
And then couldn't someone starting in MEX and wanting to bypass an extra screening in YYZ just do MEX-DEN and DEN-YYZ as separate tickets so they'd get OSS? 2) Definitely possible. It is not a foolproof system. As others mention, there is nothing stopping a PEK-YYZ passenger who is not OSS eligible from handing something off to a DEN-YYZ passenger who is OSS eligible on the way to the Customs Hall. |
Originally Posted by YYC009
(Post 28087046)
1) It depends if 'OSS' is marked on the boarding pass. If the previous carrier doesn't participate in the program, then there is no IT infrastructure to print 'OSS' on the downline boarding passes.
2) Definitely possible. It is not a foolproof system. As others mention, there is nothing stopping a PEK-YYZ passenger who is not OSS eligible from handing something off to a DEN-YYZ passenger who is OSS eligible on the way to the Customs Hall. This is literally pointless and stupid. If a sterile and unsterile passenger can hold hands, neither of them are sterile. |
Originally Posted by YYC009
(Post 28087046)
1) It depends if 'OSS' is marked on the boarding pass. If the previous carrier doesn't participate in the program, then there is no IT infrastructure to print 'OSS' on the downline boarding passes.
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
(Post 28087072)
This is literally pointless and stupid. If a sterile and unsterile passenger can hold hands, neither of them are sterile.
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Originally Posted by OSSYULYYZ
(Post 28087095)
The only way I can see to solve this issue would be to build a separate terminal for people qualified for OSS. Is there any other option?
OSS corridor: at the end, you go through a one-way door to arrivals, or to the connection path Regular corridor: you go to arrivals And I'm not saying this is practical. But with the current system, everyone has OSS, so it's pointless. |
Originally Posted by OSSYULYYZ
(Post 28087095)
The only way I can see to solve this issue would be to build a separate terminal for people qualified for OSS. Is there any other option?
If someone arrives from a "non-safe" country, send them into the arrivals corridor like all international arrivals are now. If they want to go to CBP preclearance they can do that, if they want to go to another international flight they can go through security, or they can go through the traditional customs and immigration procedure, reclearing security once landside if they want to transfer to Canada domestic. Am I missing something, or would this pretty much solve all the problems with the current setup? It would require minimal building work. OSS and non-OSS pax wouldn't mix and thus couldn't swap items. There would be no need to make OSS pax get on a stupid bus with terminals that weren't designed for OSS like YYZ T1, just have them do the DOM-INT connections path in reverse. There would be no need to waste money on airport workers checking boarding passes and CBSA officers checking pax who will never enter Canada. There would be no need to worry about whether foreign airlines are capable of issuing OSS-marked boarding passes or not. Obviously this would only work at airports like YYZ T1 or YYC where domestic and international departures are separated. |
Even better than my suggestion!
I think the one issue would be CBSA. Because while I agree it shouldn't be necessary for them to be involved, they clearly care. |
Originally Posted by Kumulani
(Post 28087080)
Oh, I misunderstood you. I think I see what you're saying now. So it's not that starting in MEX alone would make someone ineligible, just that the carrier they would be flying from there might not be able to generate the proper boarding passes?
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I've never connected at YYZ before but noticed the special customs line for US-Canada connections the other day when getting off a flight from the US into YYZ. It looked like there were 2 CBSA officers and a bit of a queue (perhaps 10 people waiting in line). I didn't see a NEXUS kiosk in the connecting line but did not get a very close look.
I have an upcoming trip on AC from DCA-YYZ-YQM. I'll have a checked bag and will have NEXUS. Would it be faster to use the new connecting passenger line (is there still a bus involved?) or just go down to arrivals, use the NEXUS line and then back up to Canada departures? |
Originally Posted by wahooflyer
(Post 28101950)
I've never connected at YYZ before but noticed the special customs line for US-Canada connections the other day when getting off a flight from the US into YYZ. It looked like there were 2 CBSA officers and a bit of a queue (perhaps 10 people waiting in line). I didn't see a NEXUS kiosk in the connecting line but did not get a very close look.
I have an upcoming trip on AC from DCA-YYZ-YQM. I'll have a checked bag and will have NEXUS. Would it be faster to use the new connecting passenger line (is there still a bus involved?) or just go down to arrivals, use the NEXUS line and then back up to Canada departures? NEXUS is probably faster - no need to talk to an agent, just show the numbers on the receipt. Also depends what gate you land at - last time I landed at F36 so there was an escalator that allowed me to go down directly to the NEXUS machines on the far left side of passport control. No need to walk over to the connections line. |
Originally Posted by hydrogen
(Post 28102339)
I believe that the connecting line is on the far right and the NEXUS machines are on the far left. In between are the normal APC kiosks.
Are you required to use the Connections Line if you are a Canadian Citizen and connecting? What is stopping you from taking the regular line or the visitor line? I assume the diplomatic line is off limits because we're not diplomats... :p |
Originally Posted by wahooflyer
(Post 28101950)
I've never connected at YYZ before but noticed the special customs line for US-Canada connections the other day when getting off a flight from the US into YYZ. It looked like there were 2 CBSA officers and a bit of a queue (perhaps 10 people waiting in line). I didn't see a NEXUS kiosk in the connecting line but did not get a very close look.
I have an upcoming trip on AC from DCA-YYZ-YQM. I'll have a checked bag and will have NEXUS. Would it be faster to use the new connecting passenger line (is there still a bus involved?) or just go down to arrivals, use the NEXUS line and then back up to Canada departures? From the admittedly small sample size it was a bit faster than NEXUS and re-clearing security, and certainly less hassle without the security line. I'll be trying ti again next week. |
Originally Posted by YYC009
(Post 28087046)
1) It depends if 'OSS' is marked on the boarding pass. If the previous carrier doesn't participate in the program, then there is no IT infrastructure to print 'OSS' on the downline boarding passes.
2) Definitely possible. It is not a foolproof system. As others mention, there is nothing stopping a PEK-YYZ passenger who is not OSS eligible from handing something off to a DEN-YYZ passenger who is OSS eligible on the way to the Customs Hall. |
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