Air Canada pulling out YYZ-JFK
Feb 12, 2016, 8:55 pm
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Canada has a guaranteed minimum of 42 slots at LGA under the Canada-U.S. Air Transport Agreement, of which AC currently possesses the rights to operate all of them. The second they don't operate the slot, it goes back to the Government of Canada for reallocation to Canadian carriers. So you can bet AC will use them.
YYZ-JFK is used largely to feed traffic to other carriers. Why would AC want to fly the short-haul to feed the ultra long-hauls? After all, the metal that flies the longest makes the most money. So what's in it for AC to operate YYZ-JFK and give away long haul traffic to fellow *A carriers?
YYZ-JFK is used largely to feed traffic to other carriers. Why would AC want to fly the short-haul to feed the ultra long-hauls? After all, the metal that flies the longest makes the most money. So what's in it for AC to operate YYZ-JFK and give away long haul traffic to fellow *A carriers?
Feb 12, 2016, 8:59 pm
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Originally Posted by rankourabu
Have you seen the biz fares on YYZ-EWR-SFO/LAX - many people would happily pay less for a flat bed transcon than AC's flex fares.
And a FT flyer is not your typical business traveller. We are but a small anomaly.
Feb 12, 2016, 9:07 pm
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Feb 12, 2016, 9:25 pm
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Feb 12, 2016, 9:49 pm
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Canada has a guaranteed minimum of 42 slots at LGA under the Canada-U.S. Air Transport Agreement, of which AC currently possesses the rights to operate all of them. The second they don't operate the slot, it goes back to the Government of Canada for reallocation to Canadian carriers. So you can bet AC will use them.
YYZ-JFK is used largely to feed traffic to other carriers. Why would AC want to fly the short-haul to feed the ultra long-hauls? After all, the metal that flies the longest makes the most money. So what's in it for AC to operate YYZ-JFK and give away long haul traffic to fellow *A carriers?
YYZ-JFK is used largely to feed traffic to other carriers. Why would AC want to fly the short-haul to feed the ultra long-hauls? After all, the metal that flies the longest makes the most money. So what's in it for AC to operate YYZ-JFK and give away long haul traffic to fellow *A carriers?
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Feb 12, 2016, 11:20 pm
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Not the typical business flyer where time is more important than a lie flat, especially if it's a four hour detour into a crazier airport known for ground delays.
And a FT flyer is not your typical business traveller. We are but a small anomaly.
WRONG!
Originally Posted by YOWkid
Originally Posted by rankourabu
Have you seen the biz fares on YYZ-EWR-SFO/LAX - many people would happily pay less for a flat bed transcon than AC's flex fares.
And a FT flyer is not your typical business traveller. We are but a small anomaly.
Feb 13, 2016, 6:32 am
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Originally Posted by LAX
Is it better to lose the international trips to OW and ST carriers? Which then may potentially result in the loss of domestic trips to WS? I thought the main point of an alliance is to allow members to connect to partner flights, thus opening up destinations otherwise not served by the home carrier.
But wouldn't AC prefer to keep the traffic to itself instead of giving it away to an alliance member? I suspect JFK-YYZ largely exists to steal U.S.-Europe/Asia sixth freedom traffic.
Let's be honest, the reality is that each alliance member is still out for itself at the end of the day.
Feb 13, 2016, 6:34 am
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JFK is NYC's major international gateway and will remain so. STAR carriers will still fly there even with UA's move to EWR. UA was drawing down JFK service a year or more ago when it began dropping regional service from IAD and a couple of other airports, leaving just its PS transcon service. Other STAR carriers at JFK have made alliances with JetBlue to carry passengers onward, but also operate from EWR for UA connections, as well as to IAD with more flights beyond. JFK traffic for STAR tends to be local origination and termination and less connection.
Feb 13, 2016, 10:38 am
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UA has pulled out of JFK with the PS service JFK-LAX/SFO since 10/2015. I was just made aware of it. Now all Transcon flights are from EWR with the PS service. Won't be surprised AC pulls out of JFK since they were in the same terminal as UA (T7) at JFK.
Feb 13, 2016, 10:52 am
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AE/AC auto protected me, and changed my routings to YOW>YYZ>LGA>ICN due to cancellation of JFK flight. Called AE back and requested them to cut out YYZ all together and send me directly via YOW>LGA(walk
or taxi/shuttle)>JFK>ICN, due to schedule change. So all things considered, it's not terrible as I have a 5h layover to connect thru to JFK from LGA. Unlike my FRA>EWR>LGA>YOW connection last summer in 100 degree heat.
Feb 13, 2016, 11:25 am
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As for the LGA-JFK transfer, the $14 bus transfer is quite quick during the daytime, but give yourself an extra hour near rush-hour (or more). And it least it has power outlets and WiFi, running every 30 mins. Although you'll still make a stop at the AA terminal at EWR, after getting on the bus.
As for EWR-LGA, woah - that's brave, I'd never want to try that one! I do prefer EWR overall (staying on the NJ side of the Hudson when visiting NYC), I've experienced enough fun trying to get to either one from downtown, let alone the trip from one to the other.
As for the LGA-JFK transfer, the $14 bus transfer is quite quick during the daytime, but give yourself an extra hour near rush-hour (or more). And it least it has power outlets and WiFi, running every 30 mins. Although you'll still make a stop at the AA terminal at EWR, after getting on the bus.
As for EWR-LGA, woah - that's brave, I'd never want to try that one! I do prefer EWR overall (staying on the NJ side of the Hudson when visiting NYC), I've experienced enough fun trying to get to either one from downtown, let alone the trip from one to the other.
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Feb 13, 2016, 1:10 pm
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As for the LGA-JFK transfer, the $14 bus transfer is quite quick during the daytime, but give yourself an extra hour near rush-hour (or more).
As for EWR-LGA, woah - that's brave, I'd never want to try that one! I do prefer EWR overall (staying on the NJ side of the Hudson when visiting NYC), I've experienced enough fun trying to get to either one from downtown, let alone the trip from one to the other.
As for the LGA-JFK transfer, the $14 bus transfer is quite quick during the daytime, but give yourself an extra hour near rush-hour (or more).
As for EWR-LGA, woah - that's brave, I'd never want to try that one! I do prefer EWR overall (staying on the NJ side of the Hudson when visiting NYC), I've experienced enough fun trying to get to either one from downtown, let alone the trip from one to the other.
I missed the LGA >EWR shuttle, so I went for the 80$USD taxi option instead. 
At least I got the tour of lower mid-town at rush hour. @:-) I agree, EWR is so much more convenient for International connections. Unless ya want the LH-FCL in JFK
Feb 14, 2016, 1:42 am
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Yes...
But wouldn't AC prefer to keep the traffic to itself instead of giving it away to an alliance member? I suspect JFK-YYZ largely exists to steal U.S.-Europe/Asia sixth freedom traffic.
Let's be honest, the reality is that each alliance member is still out for itself at the end of the day.
But wouldn't AC prefer to keep the traffic to itself instead of giving it away to an alliance member? I suspect JFK-YYZ largely exists to steal U.S.-Europe/Asia sixth freedom traffic.
Let's be honest, the reality is that each alliance member is still out for itself at the end of the day.
The point is cutting off your partners may not be a smart move as it won't necessarily benefit you.
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