What do you prefer? AQD or no tango?
Dec 1, 2015, 7:48 am
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What do you prefer? AQD or no tango?
What do you prefer as your poison?
AQD or no tango? (If you recall a couple of years back, tango did not qualify for aqm or aqs).
Personally I prefer no tango.
AQD or no tango? (If you recall a couple of years back, tango did not qualify for aqm or aqs).
Personally I prefer no tango.
Dec 1, 2015, 7:49 am
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Huh? I'd go for AQD every time, but i'm a bit confused. I will never buy a tango fare, and if an employer told me to, I'd tell them to sod off.
Dec 1, 2015, 7:52 am
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Dec 1, 2015, 8:07 am
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Dec 1, 2015, 8:51 am
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I would have preferred no AQD and Tango went back to earning no AQM/AQS, combined with further increased AC metal requirements (75%)
Therefore if you hold status it would have been by buying only Flex fares or higher and majority on AC.
You would have to think the result would be the vast majority of FF'ers being profitable for AC and worth giving benefits to.
It wouldn't cull the SEs as much as AQD is going to, but it would ensure the people who have it spent good money.
There is also value in having a simpler program, (adding AQD requirement just overly complicates things) AC was already on their way to a revenue based system with the Tango/Flex fares, IMO they just needed to take it a step further.
Therefore if you hold status it would have been by buying only Flex fares or higher and majority on AC.
You would have to think the result would be the vast majority of FF'ers being profitable for AC and worth giving benefits to.
It wouldn't cull the SEs as much as AQD is going to, but it would ensure the people who have it spent good money.
There is also value in having a simpler program, (adding AQD requirement just overly complicates things) AC was already on their way to a revenue based system with the Tango/Flex fares, IMO they just needed to take it a step further.
Dec 1, 2015, 9:29 am
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As a bottom feeder, of course I prefer AQD. It still leaves me some room to play around. I get credit (albeit limited) for my fairly frequent low-cost trips, and I can always do one or two fancy-schmancy trips to hit an AQD threshold.
My employer allows flex, but given the flex/tango price difference and the somewhat-discretionary nature of my travel (conferences), I'd rather go to three conferences on tango than two on flex.
My employer allows flex, but given the flex/tango price difference and the somewhat-discretionary nature of my travel (conferences), I'd rather go to three conferences on tango than two on flex.
Dec 1, 2015, 9:41 am
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Tango everytime, I paid with my own cash, so lowest fare is the most important. I don't even credit my flight to Aeroplan, so I don't care about the AQD.
Dec 1, 2015, 10:02 am
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I don't think you mean AC gets rid of the Tango fare class, because that would not be feasible, they need it to compete pricewise.
Dec 1, 2015, 10:07 am
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Those who hate tango so much can I ask why?
Tango was not an option even on transborder flights but when it did become an option they introduced AQM and AQS.
As it is one often pays more for AC compared to other airlines so what is so horrible about wanting the lowest possible fare? And often as a business traveler I end up paying more for tango than some of those who bought flex earlier. So who brings in more revenue?
Tango was not an option even on transborder flights but when it did become an option they introduced AQM and AQS.
As it is one often pays more for AC compared to other airlines so what is so horrible about wanting the lowest possible fare? And often as a business traveler I end up paying more for tango than some of those who bought flex earlier. So who brings in more revenue?
Dec 1, 2015, 10:23 am
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I need Tango to exist for leisure bookings, I book an occasional leisure flight in Flex or J but it's rare.
My problem with Tango is it's define as a "sale" fare. Which I don't feel like it is. Previously UA could/would offer a cheaper fare that earned 100% miles, so why would I accept 25% AQM, when I can do better by going to UA and getting 50% AQM or 100% on their own program.
I would love to see Tango get bumped to 50% on all destinations, but if it's strictly a AQD vs No Tango, I'll take the AQD.
My problem with Tango is it's define as a "sale" fare. Which I don't feel like it is. Previously UA could/would offer a cheaper fare that earned 100% miles, so why would I accept 25% AQM, when I can do better by going to UA and getting 50% AQM or 100% on their own program.
I would love to see Tango get bumped to 50% on all destinations, but if it's strictly a AQD vs No Tango, I'll take the AQD.
Dec 1, 2015, 10:32 am
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I don't mean SAP doesn't get to say that, entirely his business how he conducts, um, his business.
...just that 99% of consultants / employees would get laughed out of the room for saying something like that to an employer or client.
Dec 1, 2015, 11:42 am
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This is how we know Flyertalk is completely detached from the reality of the flying public.
I don't mean SAP doesn't get to say that, entirely his business how he conducts, um, his business.
...just that 99% of consultants / employees would get laughed out of the room for saying something like that to an employer or client.
I don't mean SAP doesn't get to say that, entirely his business how he conducts, um, his business.
...just that 99% of consultants / employees would get laughed out of the room for saying something like that to an employer or client.
1. Buying an appropriate class of service for the length of travel
2. Getting the person to their destination as quickly as possible
3. Cost
How many miles they accumulate is not, and would never be, a consideration.
So for economy class travel booked more than a couple days in advance, it would almost certainly be Tango.
Dec 1, 2015, 11:55 am
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ADQ. In my perfect FF program the only metric would be spend on the particular airline- other than access to lounges, I have never benefited from alliance partners- *A or others.
slight off topic but the previous poster raised it: I would never accept a consulting engagement where the client booked my travel. If I wanted to be an employee, then I wouldn't consult....
slight off topic but the previous poster raised it: I would never accept a consulting engagement where the client booked my travel. If I wanted to be an employee, then I wouldn't consult....
Dec 1, 2015, 12:05 pm
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I think Tango fares benefit more AC customers than AQD hurts. Look at it this way: after the 2015 changes, how many SEs started buying Tango fares as soon as they crossed 100k? It's a great way to keep travel costs down (for Altitude members and VBITs, equally) and with incremental benefits so far out of reach upon crossing 100k, why should anyone pay more for Flex?
More simply: Tango fares are your friend if (1) you don't care about status (2) you have no chance of reaching the next tier of status or (3) you're a 100k - 130k SE.
More simply: Tango fares are your friend if (1) you don't care about status (2) you have no chance of reaching the next tier of status or (3) you're a 100k - 130k SE.
Dec 1, 2015, 12:40 pm
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