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Old Oct 3, 2015, 3:58 pm
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YUL-LYS is now seen operated by Boeing 767-300 next summer instead of planned A330-300.
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Old Oct 3, 2015, 5:31 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left
Catchy headline from Global News

"How WestJet is making flights to Europe (a lot) cheaper"

http://globalnews.ca/news/2238972/ho...a-lot-cheaper/
Probably a healthy dose of wishful thinking. WS has a long history of not rocking the boat pricewise. Cozy duopoly really.
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Old Oct 3, 2015, 7:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
Probably a healthy dose of wishful thinking. WS has a long history of not rocking the boat pricewise. Cozy duopoly really.
Well the duopoly has fixed the price of Yyt-Lhr return at about $600 pp return for next summer. I was happy to book 2 adults and 2 kids in August 2016 for $2365 taxes in on AC. Since it's my dime I'll take tango and the 50% aqm. WJ was about the same. Competition in this market at least has seemed to have a positive effect. ^
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Old Oct 4, 2015, 6:49 am
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Originally Posted by alexdelzotto
YUL-LYS is now seen operated by Boeing 767-300 next summer instead of planned A330-300.
Downgauge, both in the number of J and Y seats... Hmmm... what has changed to prompt this?
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Old Oct 4, 2015, 6:57 am
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Originally Posted by respectable_man
Downgauge, both in the number of J and Y seats... Hmmm... what has changed to prompt this?
Possibly A330 rotations/availability or maybe just overly ambitious for a start-up (re-started) route. Much like GVA & BRU if the numbers are there, the aircraft will be upgauged over time. Established routes MAD & AMS surprisingly
up'd to A330's next Summer and might be another reason.
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Old Oct 4, 2015, 8:38 am
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Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD
Possibly A330 rotations/availability or maybe just overly ambitious for a start-up (re-started) route. Much like GVA & BRU if the numbers are there, the aircraft will be upgauged over time. Established routes MAD & AMS surprisingly
up'd to A330's next Summer and might be another reason.
My guess is overly ambitious, I was 100% expecting this route to be rouged but turned out to be mainline.

Same goes from CMN, big mistake for rouge, this route should have been a mainline 789 to compete with RAM.
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Old Oct 4, 2015, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by alexdelzotto
Same goes from CMN, big mistake for rouge, this route should have been a mainline 789 to compete with RAM.
Umm, No.
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Old Oct 4, 2015, 11:29 am
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[QUOTE=alexdelzotto;25516042

Same goes from CMN, big mistake for rouge, this route should have been a mainline 789 to compete with RAM.[/QUOTE]

Why? Thin route at best. Mostly leisure. I don't think RAM is the strong competition as you think.
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Old Oct 4, 2015, 11:55 am
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Why? Thin route at best. Mostly leisure. I don't think RAM is the strong competition as you think.
Yes right, mostly leisure, but RAM had no competition on this route until now. Would have been nice for AC to use a bran new 787.
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Old Oct 4, 2015, 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by alexdelzotto
Yes right, mostly leisure, but RAM had no competition on this route until now. Would have been nice for AC to use a bran new 787.
Nice doesn't pay the bills...
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Old Oct 4, 2015, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by alexdelzotto
My guess is overly ambitious.
Out of curiosity: can they draw any conclusion on loads that far ahead? I would have thought planning would have done their sums better. Hopefully this is just an issue aircraft/crew rotation.

Of course the cynical observer will note that a press release announcing the launch of a new 333 route draws greater fanfare and hype than a new 763 route.
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Old Oct 4, 2015, 10:03 pm
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Originally Posted by alexdelzotto
Yes right, mostly leisure, but RAM had no competition on this route until now. Would have been nice for AC to use a bran new 787.
How much RAM traffic does not originate in their home country? I suspect the route is only feasible for them because they undercut competition originating in various European countries.

Anyway I don't see AC surviving long in that market.
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Old Oct 5, 2015, 10:21 am
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How much RAM traffic does not originate in their home country? I suspect the route is only feasible for them because they undercut competition originating in various European countries.

Anyway I don't see AC surviving long in that market.
You have no idea just how big the YUL-East Africa market is.

RAM just had one of its strongest summers in North American transporting more people on YUL-CMN then JFK in July alone.

http://www.air-journal.fr/2015-08-16...d-5148551.html

Count in Air Algerie who started 2x weekly service to YUL in summer 2006 and was operating 9x weekly this past summer. Still always waiting for Tunisair to join in.

Not only will ACr do well on this route but I expect it to go year round eventually.
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Old Oct 5, 2015, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by alexdelzotto
You have no idea just how big the YUL-East Africa market is.

RAM just had one of its strongest summers in North American transporting more people on YUL-CMN then JFK in July alone.
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Not only will ACr do well on this route but I expect it to go year round eventually.
RAM has a network feeding from these other countries into their home base. AC does not, and this is outside of the Star alliance reach. Which means they'll be more or less restricted to traffic originating/ending at CMN.
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Old Oct 5, 2015, 11:22 am
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RAM has a network feeding from these other countries into their home base. AC does not, and this is outside of the Star alliance reach. Which means they'll be more or less restricted to traffic originating/ending at CMN.
Ridiculous statement.
Air Canada has a lot more destinations available on the Canadian end than Royal Air Maroc has at CMN.
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