Air Canada adding Lyon and London Gatwick in 2016
Jun 25, 2015, 10:20 am
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You do, though
Skytrax ratings are only relevant here on FT, not in the bottom lines of the airlines rated.
Geography plays a large part, obviously, but YHZ gets more than 13* 767 TATL / wk?
Jun 25, 2015, 10:20 am
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Excuse me for trusting 697 reviews rating this thing worst in the world over one AC SE .....
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Jun 25, 2015, 10:36 am
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Probably not. But it was only since 2013 that AC had the fleet to not only match but undercut WS costs - ie Rouge. Up until then, AC costs were massively higher than WS on any route they operated.
Jun 25, 2015, 10:39 am
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Jun 25, 2015, 10:41 am
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Now that Rouge is flying to LGW and WS hasn't yet announced which cities it is flying to from LGW, I expect it is inevitable for YEG to get shifted from LHR to LGW on Rouge as well. Likely smaller incremental costs for each additional LGW flight. Send the extra LHR slot back to YYZ making it 5x/day again.
I doubt a price sensitive market like YEG would be able to support LHR service if LGW is offered on a 763 seating 50+ more seats on its competitor.
I doubt a price sensitive market like YEG would be able to support LHR service if LGW is offered on a 763 seating 50+ more seats on its competitor.
Jun 25, 2015, 11:01 am
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At this time, I can get a return to the UK from Canada for $800 with Air Canada. From the UK to Canada, it is often more than double that.
Air Transat sell returns from the UK for around $750-800. WestJet I'm sure will be doing the same (and the reason I'm excited by their entrance is it'll offer something different to TS point to point tickets only). For AC to truly compete in this market, it will have to offer a sea change in how it sells fares to the British customers, otherwise Brits won't travel from Gatwick (they'll use TS or WS )and there'd be no benefit in going Rouge over mainline.
I say this because the Rouge flights operating to Manchester and Glasgow do not offer any value to the British, suffering the same expense as mainline through London. Therefore it's with baited breath to see if this route will actually be worth flying.
Air Transat sell returns from the UK for around $750-800. WestJet I'm sure will be doing the same (and the reason I'm excited by their entrance is it'll offer something different to TS point to point tickets only). For AC to truly compete in this market, it will have to offer a sea change in how it sells fares to the British customers, otherwise Brits won't travel from Gatwick (they'll use TS or WS )and there'd be no benefit in going Rouge over mainline.
I say this because the Rouge flights operating to Manchester and Glasgow do not offer any value to the British, suffering the same expense as mainline through London. Therefore it's with baited breath to see if this route will actually be worth flying.
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Jun 25, 2015, 11:07 am
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Jun 25, 2015, 11:11 am
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I recall one year they tried YMX-BRU on a 762LR, but two classes. 1996.
But since I moved back to Canada in 1992, I have no recollection of (1) fights to LYS, or (2) Y only 762?
Jun 25, 2015, 11:19 am
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Selfishly hoping for dusseldof next from Toronto - I was actually talking to an AC employee I was sitting next to a couple weeks ago on a flight and he mentioned Beirut is a possibility of all places.
Jun 25, 2015, 11:24 am
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(F & J) declined and all or a portion of fins 613-619 (762LR's) were converted to an all Y configuration - varying versions of 227Y/229Y/231Y. I recall these aircraft operating to GLA, MAN, BHX, DUB, SNN, BFS, LIS, MAD, LYS and even some short-lived routes like YVR-CDG & YVR-YYC-ZRH. 767's have gone through more seating configuration changes than any other aircraft type since I've been around.
Jun 25, 2015, 11:27 am
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I remember they were going to launch to Beirut back in the early 2000's but it got pulled; if IIRC it was due to the Canadian government getting involved however not sure why.
Jun 25, 2015, 11:30 am
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Jun 25, 2015, 11:40 am
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I think AC will follow WS around Gatwick. Toronto is an obvious choice due to the LON-TOR O/D. I'm assuming WS will announce YYZ and/or YYC for initial Gatwick deployment, and AC might well follow with their own YYC announcement.
Jun 25, 2015, 12:10 pm
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There was a period in the late 80's/90's where demand for Premium Travel
(F & J) declined and all or a portion of fins 613-619 (762LR's) were converted to an all Y configuration - varying versions of 227Y/229Y/231Y. I recall these aircraft operating to GLA, MAN, BHX, DUB, SNN, BFS, LIS, MAD, LYS and even some short-lived routes like YVR-CDG & YVR-YYC-ZRH. 767's have gone through more seating configuration changes than any other aircraft type since I've been around.
(F & J) declined and all or a portion of fins 613-619 (762LR's) were converted to an all Y configuration - varying versions of 227Y/229Y/231Y. I recall these aircraft operating to GLA, MAN, BHX, DUB, SNN, BFS, LIS, MAD, LYS and even some short-lived routes like YVR-CDG & YVR-YYC-ZRH. 767's have gone through more seating configuration changes than any other aircraft type since I've been around.
Fins 607 and 609 were also in all Y and operated to places like MAN and GLA.
Jun 25, 2015, 12:11 pm
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1994-2003: I had occasion to fly TS on their seasonal YQB-CDG route in both Y and in Club class. IIRC, I travelled in front once and in back twice. It was very convenient not to have a cnx. Club class was quite acceptable for a 6,5 hour flight. Y was cramped.
TS offers a competitive product on some markets.
Over a somewhat wider period 1995-2011, I flew CDG with AC about 6-8 times annually, with cnx in YUL or YYZ .
AC delivered very good and attentive service inflight and on the ground on pairings 870/871, 880/881 and 884/885 in both Y and J. Circumstances would have it that I was able to UG to J 100% from about 1999 onwards with status that ranged from P to E to SE, so my view is very positive.
YMMV.
Service to LYS could be interesting and will save on a cnx to LH at FRA or the TGV ride down from CDG.
Although not that far from GVA, LYS is an interesting jumping-off point for some great leisure and business areas of France.
I used to love staying at the Sofitel on top of the LYS terminal, just a few dozen steps from the LH gates. Hotel has been rebranded and my travels don't take me through LYS anymore.
TS offers a competitive product on some markets.
Over a somewhat wider period 1995-2011, I flew CDG with AC about 6-8 times annually, with cnx in YUL or YYZ .
AC delivered very good and attentive service inflight and on the ground on pairings 870/871, 880/881 and 884/885 in both Y and J. Circumstances would have it that I was able to UG to J 100% from about 1999 onwards with status that ranged from P to E to SE, so my view is very positive.
YMMV.
Service to LYS could be interesting and will save on a cnx to LH at FRA or the TGV ride down from CDG.
Although not that far from GVA, LYS is an interesting jumping-off point for some great leisure and business areas of France.
I used to love staying at the Sofitel on top of the LYS terminal, just a few dozen steps from the LH gates. Hotel has been rebranded and my travels don't take me through LYS anymore.