passport check at gate for pre-cleared flight???
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A passport isn't required if you have government ID which is where I wrote Canadian photo ID (e.g. i've flown within canada with just a driver's license).
The grey area is when you fly over Canada airspace. I've been on a SEA to EWR flight that they did passport checks but I only recall that happening once.
The grey area is when you fly over Canada airspace. I've been on a SEA to EWR flight that they did passport checks but I only recall that happening once.
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But a passport is not required to fly SEA-EWR, so I'm curious what they'd do when you say "I don't have it. It's a domestic flight."
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It was probably because I was in the southern US where they'd never heard of British Columbia.
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It has been at least a decade since I abandoned any expectation of logic or common sense from CATSA, CBSA, TSA or CBP.
Example (1): your boarding pass will be checked at least twice and up to four times in less than five minutes while going through security. Do they really believe that something on it changed in the last 4 yards/5 seconds? Or that I'm not the same person I was 4 yards/5 seconds ago?
Example (2): why am I allowed to bring 99 ml of toothpaste in a 100 ml tube, but if it have 10 ml of toothpaste in a 130 ml tube I am deemed a threat to aviation safety?
Example (1): your boarding pass will be checked at least twice and up to four times in less than five minutes while going through security. Do they really believe that something on it changed in the last 4 yards/5 seconds? Or that I'm not the same person I was 4 yards/5 seconds ago?
Example (2): why am I allowed to bring 99 ml of toothpaste in a 100 ml tube, but if it have 10 ml of toothpaste in a 130 ml tube I am deemed a threat to aviation safety?
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I think the issue here is that you will be required to have your passport available when you disembark the plane in Canada in order to clear Canada Customs. If you don't have a passport then AC must fly you back to LAX on their dime. Having a passport when you go through security at LAX is different than having a passport when you enter the plane. If they do 100% check when you board, and if you show up at Canada Customs without one, then you must have disposed of the passport on the plane and this would be relatively easy to check. So... I assume that AC is managing their risk by the 100% check. I would do the same for my company if I had to manage that level of risk.
In addition, while it feels like you've "entered the US" once you clear preclearance, you haven't quite really. You're not on US soil. In particular, preclearance of people on a flight is (always? sometimes?) limited to the scheduled destination*, which creates havoc if the flight has a diversion. And US immigration can change its mind -- I did have one flight a couple of years ago where the pilot came on after we landed in IAD and said that in spite of us all going through preclearance, the US authorities had decided during our flight that we needed to all pass through immigration. And there was INS at the plane gate also checking our passports as we deplaned (and then we needed to queue at the normal entry point). No explanations given why.
* I've always wondered about that. Why is diverting a plane of folks to a different US airport a problem, but an individual who has passed through preclearance can go and change themselves to a different flight and/or destination with no problem?
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Me @ TSA dude: "but this is a domestic flight, just use my DL to verify my identity"
TSA dude: "you're a foreigner and should have a passport, let me see it."
No idea what would've happened had I driven across with an enhanced DL
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You're both right... you definitely don't need a passport when flying SEA-EWR until you try to produce a foreign DL.
Me @ TSA dude: "but this is a domestic flight, just use my DL to verify my identity"
TSA dude: "you're a foreigner and should have a passport, let me see it."
No idea what would've happened had I driven across with an enhanced DL
Me @ TSA dude: "but this is a domestic flight, just use my DL to verify my identity"
TSA dude: "you're a foreigner and should have a passport, let me see it."
No idea what would've happened had I driven across with an enhanced DL
Anyway, I guess this just goes to show I should keep carrying my passport
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I remember giving my passport to TSA in Puerto Rico for a domestic flight (although I can't recall if they asked for it), but the guy spent a few minutes looking at my stamps and US visas before letting me through.
Anyway, I guess this just goes to show I should keep carrying my passport
Anyway, I guess this just goes to show I should keep carrying my passport
In any case, and going back to the OP, it's incredible that a country that established an organization so intent on positively identifying passengers at the security checkpoint doesn't care about the identity of the passenger actually boarding the aircraft.
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It has been at least a decade since I abandoned any expectation of logic or common sense from CATSA, CBSA, TSA or CBP.
Example (1): your boarding pass will be checked at least twice and up to four times in less than five minutes while going through security. Do they really believe that something on it changed in the last 4 yards/5 seconds? Or that I'm not the same person I was 4 yards/5 seconds ago?
Example (2): why am I allowed to bring 99 ml of toothpaste in a 100 ml tube, but if it have 10 ml of toothpaste in a 130 ml tube I am deemed a threat to aviation safety?
Example (1): your boarding pass will be checked at least twice and up to four times in less than five minutes while going through security. Do they really believe that something on it changed in the last 4 yards/5 seconds? Or that I'm not the same person I was 4 yards/5 seconds ago?
Example (2): why am I allowed to bring 99 ml of toothpaste in a 100 ml tube, but if it have 10 ml of toothpaste in a 130 ml tube I am deemed a threat to aviation safety?
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I agree. If you are going to check ID, the boarding point would be the most logical spot. All other checks do not ensure the passenger and the name on the boarding pass match when boarding.