AC flight 624 from Yyz crash landed at YHZ
Mar 31, 2015, 9:49 pm
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Mar 31, 2015, 10:11 pm
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That's not what I said. I said if LH thought they could make it go away, they would have released less info. So I'm saying AC thinks they can reduce publicity with less information. Many still think it was a hard landing/excursion off the runway etc. So obviously it is working.
Mar 31, 2015, 10:34 pm
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http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV%20S...ID/2661755785/
'It's not heroism, it's being a human being,' rescuer says
Catherine Ouellet says thank you to Steve Earle, who carried her 80-year-old aunt away from the wreckage of Air Canada Flight 624 after it crashed in Halifax
'It's not heroism, it's being a human being,' rescuer says
Catherine Ouellet says thank you to Steve Earle, who carried her 80-year-old aunt away from the wreckage of Air Canada Flight 624 after it crashed in Halifax
Mar 31, 2015, 11:08 pm
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I'll step to the defense of tracon here, not that he needs my assistance. KenHamer and nihonto have taken a sensible comment and extended it far past the point of reason with talk of winter parkas and heavy jackets left on board. There are multiple media reports quoting passengers complaining that they huddled shivering for an hour, dressed in shorts and t-shirts following Mexican vacations, on a windswept snowy runway following an airplane accident."
And just so there are no complaints about "context", here's the entire post you claimed to be defending:
That's the impression [that things didn't go smoothly at YHZ] the media is designed to leave. The media gets it's information from a bunch instant gratification obsessed passengers who weren't smart enough to dress for the conditions.
A spokesperson from the YHZAA was on the National this evening. He spoke of the difficuly in getting vehicles through powered gates during a power outage.
I suspect the worse case scenario was 50 minutes. The first bus was probably there at just over 30 minutes. Time will tell.
A spokesperson from the YHZAA was on the National this evening. He spoke of the difficuly in getting vehicles through powered gates during a power outage.
I suspect the worse case scenario was 50 minutes. The first bus was probably there at just over 30 minutes. Time will tell.
Sadly, many people have gone all frothy, taking this position to the extreme by suggesting parkas and others have felt it's ok to insult fellow board members by stating we might be unaware, for example, that planes travel far and fast over many climates in short periods of time. I wonder if they'd do the same if we were all sitting in the same room together?
Look at your boarding pass. It's the 3"x6" piece of paper you printed off at the check in kiosk or maybe it's on your smartphone. Anyway, listed on it are the names of two cities. The first one (helpfully labeled 'from/de') will be the place your plane departs. The second (confusingly termed 'destination') will be the place it's expected to land.
But to answer your question, yes, even if we were sitting in the same room together I would do the same. (Just ask anyone I work with, including VPs and the CEO.) In any case you may notice that I post under my real name.
Now let me ask you a question...
If you were standing on that runway on Sunday evening would you turn to those who had just "deplaned" and tell them that they were "a bunch instant gratification obsessed passengers who weren't smart enough to dress for the conditions"?
Mar 31, 2015, 11:36 pm
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That's because the 2 aren't really comparable, LH has no out. One one hand we have a 320 which was written off in poor weather, for yet unknown reasons, sending 25 to hospital for <24hrs and all surviving. On the other hand, there's a 320 which crashed into a mountain killing all 150 and making global headlines for the FO murdering those on board.
I'm sure if LH thought they could make it go away by providing less information, they would do so too.
I'm sure if LH thought they could make it go away by providing less information, they would do so too.
In the same league as LH was the BA response following its B777 events. If you recall, the BA pax were thanking the BA crew, and heaping praise on the pilots. The BA crews were very much a part of the effort in reassuring the general public that BA was a safe airline and that its employees were consummate professionals. I don't think BA pax are that much different than AC pax.
Now, I ask you, where are the senior AC executives? Aside from the one dismal press briefing appearance by the AC COO, where is everybody? Why hasn't Calin "I never met a microphone or fluff interview opportunity I didn't use to champion my accomplishments" made an appearance? Is it so difficult for Calin to emulate the CEO of Delta, or BA, or LH and show his face or make a statement on behalf of all AC personnel? What kind of company runs and hides? Is it because they believe that there were errors and that the best strategy for them is to say nothing?
There is a reason why the class action litigation is already underway. The pax comments were overwhelmingly negative. I reference the DL incident at LGA, where the negative pax comments were restrained and limited. When pax are angry after an event it is with good reason and when their concerns are ignored, when an official apology isn't even provided, it just exacerbates the situation.
Mar 31, 2015, 11:43 pm
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Look at your boarding pass. It's the 3"x6" piece of paper you printed off at the check in kiosk or maybe it's on your smartphone. Anyway, listed on it are the names of two cities. The first one (helpfully labeled 'from/de') will be the place your plane departs. The second (confusingly termed 'destination') will be the place it's expected to land.
Apr 1, 2015, 2:22 am
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Now, I ask you, where are the senior AC executives? Aside from the one dismal press briefing appearance by the AC COO, where is everybody? Why hasn't Calin "I never met a microphone or fluff interview opportunity I didn't use to champion my accomplishments" made an appearance? Is it so difficult for Calin to emulate the CEO of Delta, or BA, or LH and show his face or make a statement on behalf of all AC personnel? What kind of company runs and hides? Is it because they believe that there were errors and that the best strategy for them is to say nothing?
Apr 1, 2015, 4:02 am
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Over 50% of passengers involved in plane crashes survive. Wearing shoes during critical phases of flight is a sensible measure, as multiple previous incidents demonstrate. It should be included in the AC safety demonstration, as it is likely to be of more practical use in an emergency than some of the other advice given.
See here:
See here:
Ed Galea, professor in mathematical modelling at the University of Greenwich in London, has compiled interviews with more than 1,000 survivors of 105 accidents. He outlines the steps you can take to improve your chances of survival.
Keep your shoes on until the aircraft has reached cruising altitude and before the plane starts to come in to land. If you have to get off the aircraft quickly, there may be debris in the cabin and outside, and you'll need your shoes.
Keep your shoes on until the aircraft has reached cruising altitude and before the plane starts to come in to land. If you have to get off the aircraft quickly, there may be debris in the cabin and outside, and you'll need your shoes.
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Apr 1, 2015, 4:28 am
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I do always try to put my shoes on before landing, the thought of having to run around in my socks in an emergency doesn't sound appealing. However I definitely would want to get my briefcase off the flight with me...
Apr 1, 2015, 5:19 am
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In an emergency situation, don't expect people to patiently wait behind you while you retrieve your precious brief case. You may be willing to delay your evacuation in a life threatening situation for whatever is in your case but don't expect it of others.
Apr 1, 2015, 5:48 am
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I can't believe the length that some people here go to defend AC. The word astroturfing comes to mind. I could agree that comparing the (brilliant and compassionate) response by LH to this incident is disingenuous. But if you compare it to the BA response after BA38, which is comparable in my opinion (no fatalities, short landing), you can see how dismal the AC public performance has been. Not surprised in the least, completely inline with the culture of arrogance that permeates the management of this company.
Let me reiterate for the nth time I am not talking about the crews, this one did a fantastic job getting everyone off the plane.
Let me reiterate for the nth time I am not talking about the crews, this one did a fantastic job getting everyone off the plane.
Apr 1, 2015, 6:18 am
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If found to pilots' error (failure to follow procedures/ignore warnings) could they be charged with criminal negligence? Odd how RCMP is sniffing around this crash site?
Apr 1, 2015, 7:08 am
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Smart (honest and compassionate) communication can prevent litigation.
The choice belongs to the C suite.
Apr 1, 2015, 7:12 am
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Apr 1, 2015, 7:52 am
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