AC flight 624 from Yyz crash landed at YHZ
Aug 4, 2017, 11:36 am
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The final TSB report for the Halifax crash/hard landing has been released.... interesting read.
Halifax TSB report
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Is this different than the big report that was released a few months ago, and discussed here?
Aug 4, 2017, 12:11 pm
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Yes, but so would avoidance and evasion, which mean very different things when it comes to taxation.
Aug 4, 2017, 12:51 pm
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It's not so much "collision" vs. "crash", it's "collision with terrain" vs. "crash".
"Collision with XYZ" is just the standard phrasing used in accident investigations, and it's more descriptive than "crash". e.g., "Collision with terrain", "mid-air collision", "collision with approach lighting", "runway collision [with another aircraft]".
And "crash", colloquially, will encompass things like "mid-air breakup", which has many causes other than collision with anything.
I don't see it as pedantic, I just see it as more specific
"Collision with XYZ" is just the standard phrasing used in accident investigations, and it's more descriptive than "crash". e.g., "Collision with terrain", "mid-air collision", "collision with approach lighting", "runway collision [with another aircraft]".
And "crash", colloquially, will encompass things like "mid-air breakup", which has many causes other than collision with anything.
I don't see it as pedantic, I just see it as more specific
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...7Erk3Mk2zyr9Kk
Passengers win court challenge in lawsuit over 2015 Air Canada crash
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Interesting read.
QUOTE:
"The Canadian Transportation Accident Investigation and Safety Board Act states that “every on-board recording is privileged” but a Nova Scotia Supreme Court judge directed the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) to release the recordings as well as any transcripts.
However, TSB spokesperson Chris Krepski told Skies Jan. 3 that it not only wants the ruling by Justice Patrick Duncan stayed but also would be appealing. The filing was confirmed by Kate Boyle, a member of the class actions group within the Halifax-based law firm Wagners."
Full article https://www.skiesmag.com/news/battle...flight-ac-624/
QUOTE:
"The Canadian Transportation Accident Investigation and Safety Board Act states that “every on-board recording is privileged” but a Nova Scotia Supreme Court judge directed the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) to release the recordings as well as any transcripts.
However, TSB spokesperson Chris Krepski told Skies Jan. 3 that it not only wants the ruling by Justice Patrick Duncan stayed but also would be appealing. The filing was confirmed by Kate Boyle, a member of the class actions group within the Halifax-based law firm Wagners."
Full article https://www.skiesmag.com/news/battle...flight-ac-624/
Mar 15, 2021, 12:54 pm
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Good video, thanks for the link. But with all due respect, I think clipping some hydro lines, ripping the landing gear clean off the plane by wrapping them around the ILC array, then careening over an embankment and skidding to a halt on the runway with the port engine bouncing along behind is just a bit more than a "hard landing."
Mar 15, 2021, 1:13 pm
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Good video, thanks for the link. But with all due respect, I think clipping some hydro lines, ripping the landing gear clean off the plane by wrapping them around the ILC array, then careening over an embankment and skidding to a halt on the runway with the port engine bouncing along behind is just a bit more than a "hard landing."
Mar 15, 2021, 6:24 pm
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That video is well done. Picked up on a couple of things.
1. AC's SOP Manual not following the manufacturers, why?
2. Is the the only AC type AC operates where they do not follow the procedures and recommendations of the manufacturer?
3. Confirmation bias. Been there done that and found myself in US airspace because of it. The Human Factors part of flying is fascinating and (can) lead to a world of trouble. HF can be broken into so many sub-parts.
1. AC's SOP Manual not following the manufacturers, why?
2. Is the the only AC type AC operates where they do not follow the procedures and recommendations of the manufacturer?
3. Confirmation bias. Been there done that and found myself in US airspace because of it. The Human Factors part of flying is fascinating and (can) lead to a world of trouble. HF can be broken into so many sub-parts.
Mar 15, 2021, 7:53 pm
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In accordance with CARs 705.09 and TC’s Air Carrier Inspector Manual, 74 TC reviewed and approved both Air Canada’s AOM and SOPs. During this process, TC did not identify the discrepancy between the Air Canada documents and the Airbus documents.
The first item noted in the ‘Findings’ section of the accident report:
1. Air Canada’s standard operating procedure (SOP) and practice when flying in flight path angle guidance mode was that, once the aircraft was past the final approach fix, the flight crews were not required to monitor the aircraft’s altitude and distance from the threshold or to make any adjustments to the flight path angle. This practice was not in accordance with the flight crew operating manuals of Air Canada or Airbus.
https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-r...2/a15h0002.pdf
Mar 17, 2021, 5:14 pm
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Mar 17, 2021, 5:37 pm
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I'm not sure how that's relevant. AC624 was six years ago. The final TSB report came out in 2017. They did an episode on the Brazilian soccer team crash 2.5 years after it happened. That crash occurred in November 2016, well after AC624. They did one on MH370 less than a year after the incident. So there doesn't appear to be any reason why they couldn't have done one on AC624.
Mar 17, 2021, 5:41 pm
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I'm not sure how that's relevant. AC624 was six years ago. The final TSB report came out in 2017. They did an episode on the Brazilian soccer team crash 2.5 years after it happened. That crash occurred in November 2016, well after AC624. They did one on MH370 less than a year after the incident. So there doesn't appear to be any reason why they couldn't have done one on AC624.
My information on the Cougar Mayday episode was simply a data point for the thread.
Oct 15, 2021, 8:17 am
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Canada's highest court has agreed to hear an appeal in the case of an Air Canada jet that crashed at Halifax's Stanfield International Airport in March 2015.
More than two dozen people were injured when Air Canada flight 624 crashed at the airport in the midst of a snowstorm.
Some of the passengers have launched a class-action lawsuit against several parties, including the airline, Air Canada; the two pilots flying the Airbus 320 that night; its manufacturer, Airbus; the Halifax International Airport Authority; and Nav Canada, the corporation that operates Canada's civil air navigation system.
Canada's highest court has agreed to hear an appeal in the case of an Air Canada jet that crashed at Halifax's Stanfield International Airport in March 2015.
More than two dozen people were injured when Air Canada flight 624 crashed at the airport in the midst of a snowstorm.
Some of the passengers have launched a class-action lawsuit against several parties, including the airline, Air Canada; the two pilots flying the Airbus 320 that night; its manufacturer, Airbus; the Halifax International Airport Authority; and Nav Canada, the corporation that operates Canada's civil air navigation system.
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