Originally Posted by tcook052
(Post 24329806)
Yes, 2014 record number of 8.2M, a new record and twice the overall amount of 2004 .
Comparing with YYC however, from 2008 to 2013, traffic went from 12,506,807 to 14,316,074. A 14.5% increase. Using the same source YEG went from 6,437,334 6,983,229. An 8.5% increase. So either there is a big discrepancy between sources, or the bulk of the YEG traffic increase occured before 2008? |
Originally Posted by Stranger
(Post 24330181)
Comparing with YYC however, from 2008 to 2013, traffic went from 12,506,807 to 14,316,074. A 14.5% increase.
Using the same source YEG went from 6,437,334 6,983,229. An 8.5% increase. So either there is a big discrepancy between sources, or the bulk of the YEG traffic increase occured before 2008? |
Originally Posted by tcook052
(Post 24330500)
As I've linked my source that answer is a click away. ;)
What you did not say is that your source matches mine. Thus indeed most of that growth is pre 2008. While over the period 2008-2013, YYC traffic actually grew faster. YEG, 1.6%/annum vs.2.75% for YYC. |
Originally Posted by Arcanum
(Post 24320184)
That seems like a sensible plan. The leisure travelers don't know/care which London airport they're going into and would be fine with LGW. The O/D business crowd will grumble and take the YEG-YYC-LHR.
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Originally Posted by M60_to_LGA
(Post 24330793)
Huh? LGW is a much easier ride to central London than LHR. Why would business travelers prefer LHR?
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Originally Posted by Stranger
(Post 24330612)
What you did not say is that your source matches mine.
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Originally Posted by Stranger
(Post 24330612)
Sure.
What you did not say is that your source matches mine. Thus indeed most of that growth is pre 2008. While over the period 2008-2013, YYC traffic actually grew faster. YEG, 1.6%/annum vs.2.75% for YYC. 2010 YYC 12,630,695 YEG 6,089,099 2014 YYC ? still not published that I can find, YEG 8,240,161 YEG growth in passengers 2,151,062 and 26 % growth |
Originally Posted by tcook052
(Post 24330995)
Sorry but didn't see you providing a source.
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Originally Posted by yulred
(Post 24329258)
Yeah, I was wrong. As one often is when passenger traffic exceeds growth in capacity. Something about an 8.5% increase in pax traffic on a 7.8% increase in capacity.
Originally Posted by yulred
(Post 24329543)
My bet (based on no tangible evidence whatsoever) is that this will serve as the basis for a Rouge flight to FRA.
Originally Posted by PLeblond
(Post 24329667)
Not sure I understand/agree with the Rouge idea. I'm actually surprised LHR was a viable destination since its mostly an O/D route, only connecting to other *A hubs.
Originally Posted by PLeblond
(Post 24329667)
FRA, I believe, is a higher yield route and I don't see Rouge on such a route, especially since most lower yield traffic will gladly take the 40 minute flight to YYC to save a few bucks.
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Originally Posted by CloudsBelow
(Post 24332627)
Though we're often on opposite sides, I respect your POV. But I'm confused ... You think market is still undersupplied or not? WS and TS are each curbing capacity increases YET traffic continues to lag growth.
Take this thread for example. Before Icelandair and KL came in, peak international service was limited to: AC - 7 X 767 (211) = 1477 A year later, it can apparently support: AC - 3 X 767 (211) = 633 KL - 4 X 332 (243) = 972 FI - 6 X 757 (183) = 1098 For a grand total of: 2703 That's an 83% increase in the number of international seats it can support. For 2014, YEG claims traffic increased by 7%. That's not insubstantial. One has to ask, where are all these passengers coming from? And who was serving them last year? Or the year before that? Or maybe they weren't being served at all? As for WS and TS, I don't see WS curbing capacity. I see them moving to limit capacity growth for this year after increasing it by 6% last year, but not actually cutting capacity. TS... well, they've been losing money for years - it begs the question: is their decision is based on demand and supply or on rationalizing their business model? AC increased its capacity by 7.8%. FWIW, the population grew by ~1.2%. So...where did these new passengers come from? And who were they flying last year? Pointing to the odd leisure route where other carriers have withdrawn is not indicative of the state of the general market; a lot of carriers are adding capacity as fast as they can (outdated bilateral agreements notwithstanding). Yes, some carriers have reduced capacity. but I think you'll find that air traffic has grown significantly regardless - well beyond the population growth rate. Which means there was some serious undersupply that still being worked out of the system. Its being corrected, but a step in the right direction does not mean it no longer exists.
Originally Posted by CloudsBelow
(Post 24332627)
I disagree. You'll lose the o/d power of London, and most of your cost savings via Rouge will be eaten feeding the existing traffic via FRA to many destinations already served from your global hub.
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Originally Posted by M60_to_LGA
(Post 24330793)
Huh? LGW is a much easier ride to central London than LHR. Why would business travelers prefer LHR?
LGW on the Express takes 30 minutes. By bus, it takes forever. Cabs are expensive. No tube connection. The regular non-express train service isn't cheap either - fares are linked to specific trains. If you buy an advance (discount) fare, you're running the possibility of a loss of ticket, and a more expensive up front fare. The only up side is that you get to Victoria, instead of Paddington. LHR is much more convenient - tube, express, connect - even cab fares are much cheaper. LHR for me any day. |
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So... can someone tell me?
If the yield is there; and the potential growth is there... why would AC reduce YEG in favour of YYC? Out of spite for the airport authority??? |
Originally Posted by PLeblond
(Post 24335426)
So... can someone tell me?
If the yield is there; and the potential growth is there... why would AC reduce YEG in favour of YYC? Out of spite for the airport authority??? |
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