Air Canada & Air China ink MOU on a Metal-Neutral TPAC JV
Nov 8, 2014, 6:18 pm
#32
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Yeah!!!!
Nov 8, 2014, 7:20 pm
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Good point. Hope you're right and we get the AC flight. Although my dream flight to Eastern Europe would be to tokyo. Would save a connection on nearly all my trips to Asia!
Nov 9, 2014, 12:22 am
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But I will admit your logic is not half bad!
Nov 9, 2014, 5:40 am
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Lol actually I was referring to the time when the office québécois de la langue francaise took the major retailers ( best buy, Walmart, toys r us, etc) to court saying either they needed to give themselves a generic French name or add a slogan or explanation that reflects their business, in regards to the signs on their businesses. And how the 787 saying Dreamliner on the side would run into the same problem.
But I will admit your logic is not half bad!
But I will admit your logic is not half bad!
Just thought I would twist it around a bit...
Nov 9, 2014, 5:47 am
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Maybe, if traffic to TKO from YYZ keeps increasing, they could add a YUL route, instead of a third route. I know JAL has a charter to YUL in September/October, so maybe a summer/fall seasonal route. The 788 makes that more feasible but I still think its a long-shot.
Nov 9, 2014, 6:16 am
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Nov 9, 2014, 6:19 am
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Is it the flight crews? CA has a large number of ex-pat pilots in the left seat.
Is it the maintenance? It's the same outfits North American carriers send their fleets to.
Nov 9, 2014, 6:23 am
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I'll assume you meant Eastern Asia, unless Krakow or something had a recent name change...
Maybe, if traffic to TKO from YYZ keeps increasing, they could add a YUL route, instead of a third route. I know JAL has a charter to YUL in September/October, so maybe a summer/fall seasonal route. The 788 makes that more feasible but I still think its a long-shot.
Maybe, if traffic to TKO from YYZ keeps increasing, they could add a YUL route, instead of a third route. I know JAL has a charter to YUL in September/October, so maybe a summer/fall seasonal route. The 788 makes that more feasible but I still think its a long-shot.
As for a YUL-TYO I can always dream
Nov 9, 2014, 6:40 am
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According to http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SEA-PEK...ls&DU=nm&E=180 :
SEA-PEK - 4699 nm
YYZ-PEK - 5716 nm
YUL-PEK - 5655 nm (actually closer than YYZ).
So YYZ is over 1000nm longer than SEA-PEK, and that is straight line, not counting prevailing winds or Arctic airports which are not open in winter for ETOPS alternates. You may also notice the SEA route runs almost over ANC. In the winter, the YYZ-PEK rote would probably need to fly closer to ANC and thus a slightly longer route.
Airbus lists the range of a 333 as 6100 nm. Straight line of 5716 nm, plus a diversion airport, plus 1 hour extra would put that route out of the 333s range. (Although the 332 might be able to pull it off.)
Nov 9, 2014, 8:59 am
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Why?
Is it the flight crews? CA has a large number of ex-pat pilots in the left seat.
Is it the maintenance? It's the same outfits North American carriers send their fleets to.
Tracon,
My opinion is based on personal experience and experience of some of my colleagues.
Also, directly know two Air China Captains and have heard enough to validate my opinion/experiences.
Can't comment directly on the maintenance.
Just my own personal choice WRT Air China.
There are lost of airlines in Asia I will fly without hesitation, but there are some that for me, I just wouldn't touch.
Is it the flight crews? CA has a large number of ex-pat pilots in the left seat.
Is it the maintenance? It's the same outfits North American carriers send their fleets to.
Tracon,
My opinion is based on personal experience and experience of some of my colleagues.
Also, directly know two Air China Captains and have heard enough to validate my opinion/experiences.
Can't comment directly on the maintenance.
Just my own personal choice WRT Air China.
There are lost of airlines in Asia I will fly without hesitation, but there are some that for me, I just wouldn't touch.
Nov 9, 2014, 9:22 am
#43
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Why?
Is it the flight crews? CA has a large number of ex-pat pilots in the left seat.
Is it the maintenance? It's the same outfits North American carriers send their fleets to.
Tracon,
My opinion is based on personal experience and experience of some of my colleagues.
Also, directly know two Air China Captains and have heard enough to validate my opinion/experiences.
Can't comment directly on the maintenance.
Just my own personal choice WRT Air China.
There are lost of airlines in Asia I will fly without hesitation, but there are some that for me, I just wouldn't touch.
Is it the flight crews? CA has a large number of ex-pat pilots in the left seat.
Is it the maintenance? It's the same outfits North American carriers send their fleets to.
Tracon,
My opinion is based on personal experience and experience of some of my colleagues.
Also, directly know two Air China Captains and have heard enough to validate my opinion/experiences.
Can't comment directly on the maintenance.
Just my own personal choice WRT Air China.
There are lost of airlines in Asia I will fly without hesitation, but there are some that for me, I just wouldn't touch.
Consequently, a former customer of mine was teaching at a flight school in Eastern Canada. He told me that a large group of the students were from China and from what he heard from them; within 6 weeks of basic flight training many of them were going to be in the right seat of a 737.
I will concur with doubleflier here. I may (and this is a BIG may) consider flying them on long international routes, where they put the newest planes, best pilots and are very careful of their image, but I would definitely not fly internal domestic flights within China. This might have improved over the last 20+ years, as many things in China have, but I'm still not there.
Nov 9, 2014, 9:37 am
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However given an alternative I would not have. I would *probably* not normally fly CA. This said, looking at stitistics, China is nowhere near the top of the risk countries/airlines.
Much higher on the list: Russia and Egypt obviously, but also Korea, Turkey. Brazil is marginally better but possibly not that much; again I'll admit at one point, mostly long time ago, I did fly on RG and domestic Brazilian airlines.
Still looking at accident statistics, AF and even JAL have records that probably look worse than CA.
Nov 9, 2014, 10:24 am
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Additional prime-time flights to Beijing derived from this JV will benefit passengers in those cities greatly. Busy people don't enjoy connections
It would face restrictions westbound. Those restrictions might be preferred to flying heavy 777 or using the higher costs of Air Canada. Does Air China have 787s on order? That might be ideal
QF deployed A330-200 on LAXAKL, a route with a slightly longer ESAD than YULPEK.
Manufacturer ranges are still air and just passengers and bags. Plus, we're talking the -200 here
Manufacturer ranges are still air and just passengers and bags. Plus, we're talking the -200 here
