Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm
Last edit by: yerffej201
="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM)
Jun 18, 2017, 12:20 pm
#226
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: OZ Diamond, Jiffypark Manhattan Gold
Posts: 4,485
Just called as was quoted the following...
Actually first I was quoted "I can't give you that, because depending on what city you connect through it changes"...pretty sure that's exactly what MPM is for no? To make the connection points irrelevant as long as they're UNDER the mpm. I've never had anyone NOT be able to give me that info before...so I pulled the HUACA and got another agent who didn't seem to know what I was talking about, then gave me the info and seemed surprised I was looking for it or something.
YVR-CAI 11,130
YVR-IST 9,910
Actually first I was quoted "I can't give you that, because depending on what city you connect through it changes"...pretty sure that's exactly what MPM is for no? To make the connection points irrelevant as long as they're UNDER the mpm. I've never had anyone NOT be able to give me that info before...so I pulled the HUACA and got another agent who didn't seem to know what I was talking about, then gave me the info and seemed surprised I was looking for it or something.
YVR-CAI 11,130
YVR-IST 9,910
Jul 1, 2017, 5:54 pm
#231
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 20
How to get MPM yourself
I'm surprised no one has posted this, as Aeroplan has included the MPM in their search results source for several years.
Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure the other stop is a lot closer to home and that all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):
https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false
Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
Or, a faster method but only tested on Chrome, after the results load simply type this into your browser's address bar. Replace [colon] with the real : character
javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.mpm);
To verify your POT is correct, type
javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.pot);
To view the city pair distances, use:
javascript[colon]alert(JSON.stringify(results.results.NormalResults .distances));
Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure the other stop is a lot closer to home and that all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):
https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false
Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
Or, a faster method but only tested on Chrome, after the results load simply type this into your browser's address bar. Replace [colon] with the real : character
javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.mpm);
To verify your POT is correct, type
javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.pot);
To view the city pair distances, use:
javascript[colon]alert(JSON.stringify(results.results.NormalResults .distances));
Last edited by Fly1234; Jul 2, 2017 at 10:29 am
Jul 1, 2017, 6:55 pm
#232
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
I'm surprised no one has posted this, as Aeroplan has included the MPM in their search results source for several years.
Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):
https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false
Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):
https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false
Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
how do people even come across this
Jul 1, 2017, 9:02 pm
#234
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 668
I'm surprised no one has posted this, as Aeroplan has included the MPM in their search results source for several years.
Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):
https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false
Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):
https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false
Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
Jul 1, 2017, 9:57 pm
#235
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: *void
Posts: 2,408
I tried a few from YYZ...they are close to the wiki quoted values for SIN and MEL.
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q) "mpm":15480
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q) "mpm":16200
But is significantly HIGHER for SIN compared to wiki reported value.
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q) "mpm":15441 >> 2346 higher, and almost the same as YYZ-SYD!
More than a few times an Aero rep has told me the MPM will fluctuate depending on the route you take, but even with using a different stopover, I tried different variations yet the JSON page's "mpm" didn't change for the same city pairing. Hmmm.
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q) "mpm":15480
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q) "mpm":16200
But is significantly HIGHER for SIN compared to wiki reported value.
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q) "mpm":15441 >> 2346 higher, and almost the same as YYZ-SYD!
More than a few times an Aero rep has told me the MPM will fluctuate depending on the route you take, but even with using a different stopover, I tried different variations yet the JSON page's "mpm" didn't change for the same city pairing. Hmmm.
Jul 2, 2017, 7:00 am
#236
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 20
If you're willing to spend some time playing around you can also "verify" the MPM by finding a stop that is far enough away to almost max out the MPM. So if you pick options 1, 2 and 3 Aeroplan's JavaScript will disable route options that exceed the MPM. Or you could manually total up the distance of the individual legs using the JSON source. Gcmap may be close enough, but it's usually a few miles off.
I have never seen the MPM fluctuate in my research, I have a spreadsheet with results from months ago with the same values today.
I have never seen the MPM fluctuate in my research, I have a spreadsheet with results from months ago with the same values today.
I tried a few from YYZ...they are close to the wiki quoted values for SIN and MEL.
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q) "mpm":15480
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q) "mpm":16200
But is significantly HIGHER for SIN compared to wiki reported value.
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q) "mpm":15441 >> 2346 higher, and almost the same as YYZ-SYD!
More than a few times an Aero rep has told me the MPM will fluctuate depending on the route you take, but even with using a different stopover, I tried different variations yet the JSON page's "mpm" didn't change for the same city pairing. Hmmm.
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q) "mpm":15480
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q) "mpm":16200
But is significantly HIGHER for SIN compared to wiki reported value.
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q) "mpm":15441 >> 2346 higher, and almost the same as YYZ-SYD!
More than a few times an Aero rep has told me the MPM will fluctuate depending on the route you take, but even with using a different stopover, I tried different variations yet the JSON page's "mpm" didn't change for the same city pairing. Hmmm.
Jul 2, 2017, 7:05 am
#237
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 20
Yes, there's something about 10 miles off I haven't figured out yet. The only time I've phoned in I was given a value 10 miles off vs. my method (+ or -, I can't remember).
Jul 8, 2017, 8:40 am
#238
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
A data point I'd like to add that shows the pseudo MPM is somewhat of a black box:
HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ (LH F for the first 2 segments, AC J for the 3rd) was accepted. That's a whopping 12,040 miles.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ
HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ (LH F for the first 2 segments, AC J for the 3rd) was accepted. That's a whopping 12,040 miles.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ
Jul 9, 2017, 12:08 pm
#239
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: OZ Diamond, Jiffypark Manhattan Gold
Posts: 4,485
I'm surprised no one has posted this, as Aeroplan has included the MPM in their search results source for several years.
Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure the other stop is a lot closer to home and that all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):
https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false
Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
Or, a faster method but only tested on Chrome, after the results load simply type this into your browser's address bar. Replace [colon] with the real : character
javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.mpm);
To verify your POT is correct, type
javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.pot);
To view the city pair distances, use:
javascript[colon]alert(JSON.stringify(results.results.NormalResults .distances));
Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure the other stop is a lot closer to home and that all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):
https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false
Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
Or, a faster method but only tested on Chrome, after the results load simply type this into your browser's address bar. Replace [colon] with the real : character
javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.mpm);
To verify your POT is correct, type
javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.pot);
To view the city pair distances, use:
javascript[colon]alert(JSON.stringify(results.results.NormalResults .distances));
Jul 10, 2017, 8:10 am
#240
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
A data point I'd like to add that shows the pseudo MPM is somewhat of a black box:
HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ (LH F for the first 2 segments, AC J for the 3rd) was accepted. That's a whopping 12,040 miles.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ
HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ (LH F for the first 2 segments, AC J for the 3rd) was accepted. That's a whopping 12,040 miles.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ
HKG-HND-FRA-EWR-YYZ in NH J, NH F, LH F and AC Y was rejected. That routing is only 11,854.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=hkg-hnd-fra-ewr-yyz
Yet, HKG-FRA-MIA-YYZ (11,764) and HKG-FRA-IAH-YYZ (12,210) with the first two segments in LH F were also accepted.
