Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm
Last edit by: yerffej201
="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM)
Dec 31, 2016, 9:04 am
#152
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: YYZ
Programs: Aeroplan, Alaska, Marriott
Posts: 435
i imagine its your return leg from JNB that caused the denial in option 1.
JNB-ADD-DXB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 16,481
JNB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 14,941
The quoted YVR-JNB in the thread wiki is 16,158. The first one exceeds it by ~300 miles
MPM is not calculated on the entire round trip mileage. Its calculated per direction. The route in each direction (origin to farthest point & farthest point back to origin) has to fit within the city-pair mileage allowance.
Your BKK thing probably wont work either. YVR-BKK is quoted to be around 12,150 in the thread wiki, and BKK-ARN-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR is over 12.5K.
It's close though, and the route has some wastage, so 2 ideas
1. if you can take a more direct route to LED instead of to ARN and back (geographically), it could probably work. Maybe a connection in Moscow instead of Stockholm (no idea if it even exists, just throwing it out there)?
2. if you use a different city than YYZ home that shortens the flight path, like via FRA, or even ZRH. YYZ is a big detour (it might look like a straight line on a flat map but on a sphere its way out of the way)
JNB-ADD-DXB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 16,481
JNB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 14,941
The quoted YVR-JNB in the thread wiki is 16,158. The first one exceeds it by ~300 miles
MPM is not calculated on the entire round trip mileage. Its calculated per direction. The route in each direction (origin to farthest point & farthest point back to origin) has to fit within the city-pair mileage allowance.
Your BKK thing probably wont work either. YVR-BKK is quoted to be around 12,150 in the thread wiki, and BKK-ARN-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR is over 12.5K.
It's close though, and the route has some wastage, so 2 ideas
1. if you can take a more direct route to LED instead of to ARN and back (geographically), it could probably work. Maybe a connection in Moscow instead of Stockholm (no idea if it even exists, just throwing it out there)?
2. if you use a different city than YYZ home that shortens the flight path, like via FRA, or even ZRH. YYZ is a big detour (it might look like a straight line on a flat map but on a sphere its way out of the way)
So I'm still a bit confused as to how this all works.
What I'm thinking of booking is YVR-JNB-BKK-YVR. Alternatively, I'd be interested in YVR-LED-BKK-YVR (in either order).
So I called today and had...
YVR-LHR-JNB-ADD-DXB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR (total 26,824)
denied.
But...
YVR-LHR-JNB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR (total 25,284)
Approved.
Did I really go over with the extra 1,600? Or am I doing something wrong? I still can never tell if I'm ok or not unless the flights are in kind of a straight line.
So as I said I'm also interested in YVR-LED-BKK-YVR...what I'm looking at is like...
YVR-PEK-BKK-ZRH-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR or something like that. But based on the lines on gcmap, I can't imagine it would be approved, so I tried to straighten it up a bit. YVR-PEK-BKK-ARN-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR. Would either of these work? If not, is there a way to include these 2 cities together, or is it just a non-starter?
YVR-NRT-BKK-IST-ZAG-LED-ARN-PEK-YVR?
YVR-NRT-BKK-IST-ZAG-LED-CPH-YYZ-YVR?
What I'm thinking of booking is YVR-JNB-BKK-YVR. Alternatively, I'd be interested in YVR-LED-BKK-YVR (in either order).
So I called today and had...
YVR-LHR-JNB-ADD-DXB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR (total 26,824)
denied.
But...
YVR-LHR-JNB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR (total 25,284)
Approved.
Did I really go over with the extra 1,600? Or am I doing something wrong? I still can never tell if I'm ok or not unless the flights are in kind of a straight line.
So as I said I'm also interested in YVR-LED-BKK-YVR...what I'm looking at is like...
YVR-PEK-BKK-ZRH-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR or something like that. But based on the lines on gcmap, I can't imagine it would be approved, so I tried to straighten it up a bit. YVR-PEK-BKK-ARN-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR. Would either of these work? If not, is there a way to include these 2 cities together, or is it just a non-starter?
YVR-NRT-BKK-IST-ZAG-LED-ARN-PEK-YVR?
YVR-NRT-BKK-IST-ZAG-LED-CPH-YYZ-YVR?
Last edited by Cerenity; Dec 31, 2016 at 9:16 am
Dec 31, 2016, 2:26 pm
#153
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: OZ Diamond, Jiffypark Manhattan Gold
Posts: 4,485
i imagine its your return leg from JNB that caused the denial in option 1.
JNB-ADD-DXB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 16,481
JNB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 14,941
The quoted YVR-JNB in the thread wiki is 16,158. The first one exceeds it by ~300 miles
MPM is not calculated on the entire round trip mileage. Its calculated per direction. The route in each direction (origin to farthest point & farthest point back to origin) has to fit within the city-pair mileage allowance.
Your BKK thing probably wont work either. YVR-BKK is quoted to be around 12,150 in the thread wiki, and BKK-ARN-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR is over 12.5K.
It's close though, and the route has some wastage, so 2 ideas
1. if you can take a more direct route to LED instead of to ARN and back (geographically), it could probably work. Maybe a connection in Moscow instead of Stockholm (no idea if it even exists, just throwing it out there)?
2. if you use a different city than YYZ home that shortens the flight path, like via FRA, or even ZRH. YYZ is a big detour (it might look like a straight line on a flat map but on a sphere its way out of the way)
JNB-ADD-DXB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 16,481
JNB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 14,941
The quoted YVR-JNB in the thread wiki is 16,158. The first one exceeds it by ~300 miles
MPM is not calculated on the entire round trip mileage. Its calculated per direction. The route in each direction (origin to farthest point & farthest point back to origin) has to fit within the city-pair mileage allowance.
Your BKK thing probably wont work either. YVR-BKK is quoted to be around 12,150 in the thread wiki, and BKK-ARN-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR is over 12.5K.
It's close though, and the route has some wastage, so 2 ideas
1. if you can take a more direct route to LED instead of to ARN and back (geographically), it could probably work. Maybe a connection in Moscow instead of Stockholm (no idea if it even exists, just throwing it out there)?
2. if you use a different city than YYZ home that shortens the flight path, like via FRA, or even ZRH. YYZ is a big detour (it might look like a straight line on a flat map but on a sphere its way out of the way)
FWIW, I was tooling around on the AP website and YVR-BKK-LED-YVR is valid, but one direction seems to be forced through Europe. I kinda wanted to avoid that, because sometimes finding availability not on LH is a bit tough, but now that I know it works I can narrow it down.
One routing that was valid was...
YVR-HKG-BKK (stop) BKK-ARN-LED (stop) LED-FRA-YVR
Problem was it included $900 of "surcharges" assuredly lots of that was LH and then some would've been from TG. So I just gotta try and find more LX/SK flights.
But again, thanks for the detailed post and for the comment about YYZ, because it does LOOK like a pretty good shot from CPH-YYZ, but I'll try ZRH or others.
Dec 31, 2016, 5:59 pm
#155
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: *void
Posts: 2,408
Did not add the YYZ-AKL value, as someone already has a quoted MPM for this in the wiki, and it's quite a bit lower than what you were quoted.
Jan 3, 2017, 5:01 pm
#156
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: OZ Diamond, Jiffypark Manhattan Gold
Posts: 4,485
Minor news, just called AP to get clarification on something...I also asked what the MPM was for YVR-JNB, it's now 16392, a small increase from before.
This is as of Jan 3, 2017.
This is as of Jan 3, 2017.
Jan 25, 2017, 2:36 pm
#158
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,917
Why would you need that number? (serious question). Unless you wanted to stop in ... say ... Gander or Greenland, there's nothing you can do to stop in between -- and literally ANY other point you choose will be further, hence requiring THAT point to become the MPM you need.
Jan 25, 2017, 3:09 pm
#159
Join Date: May 2013
Location: YYT/YYC/TPE
Programs: AC SE, UA, National Exec Elite, Nexus, GE
Posts: 1,810
Why would you need that number? (serious question). Unless you wanted to stop in ... say ... Gander or Greenland, there's nothing you can do to stop in between -- and literally ANY other point you choose will be further, hence requiring THAT point to become the MPM you need.
Jan 25, 2017, 3:12 pm
#160
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,917
But my point is, *any* nonstop routing to LHR will be legal, and the moment you stop *anywhere*, that will be further than LHR so that will be the new MPM.
Jan 25, 2017, 4:11 pm
#161
Join Date: May 2013
Location: YYT/YYC/TPE
Programs: AC SE, UA, National Exec Elite, Nexus, GE
Posts: 1,810
Jan 25, 2017, 5:11 pm
#162
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 73
Why would you need that number? (serious question). Unless you wanted to stop in ... say ... Gander or Greenland, there's nothing you can do to stop in between -- and literally ANY other point you choose will be further, hence requiring THAT point to become the MPM you need.
Jan 25, 2017, 5:21 pm
#163
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,917
I'm willing to bet with 99% certainty that this would be allowed. You'd probably have to call in, as this won't show up online, but it should be no problem.
Jan 25, 2017, 7:00 pm
#165
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666