Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm
Last edit by: yerffej201
="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM)
Jun 7, 2020, 7:07 pm
#361
Join Date: Jul 2016
Programs: Aeroplan Elite 35K
Posts: 102
I got your point now, I was looking at a greater picture but you just worry about TG maybe going to bankruptcy. I knew the news a while back, worst scenario, let's rebook again!! Anyways, out of topic, I am just sharing my MPM booking experience.
Last edited by terencelai; Jun 7, 2020 at 7:51 pm
Jun 8, 2020, 6:29 am
#362
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: YUL
Programs: AC E75, WS Gold, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, GHA Plat, UA Silver, SQ Silver
Posts: 215
Aug 9, 2020, 4:21 am
#363
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 9
Longtime lurker, finally decided to register and provide some feedback regarding MPM 
I apologize in advance if the formatting isn’t aligned as I wrote this on a mobile.
Mid-2021 mixed J/F
JFK-CGK: JSON=16,621 / ITA=12,049
Final results: OB=15,737 / IB=15,166 (13 segments)
JFK-LIS-ORY,CDG-BRU-LHR-AUH-ICN(S)-SIN-CGK(D)
CGK-BKK-HND-FRA-ORD-EWR
2 Pax, AP=430K, $1259...+ LH carrier fees once F opens.
Each call I began, I asked if the agent had any experience booking a mRTW. If they told me no/RTW aren’t offered anymore HUCA..8 Times.
Initial routing on the outbound leg included TPE and MNL after ICN=15,978. Wouldn’t validate and agent mentioned I was over by 25% which needed to be at 20%. She also mentioned the ITA MPM. Did some math around the ITA MPM 20%=14,459.
The agent went above and beyond which exceeded my expectations as she tried applying different routes, one ways, open-jaw, phantom on her own accord!...some DPs:
- IB was switched at one point to CGK-SIN-KIX-HND-FRA-JFK, which she then mentioned she wanted to see if it would validate as a one-way...it did=13,542
- OJ: *-ICN-TPE-MNL (OJ) CGK-SIN-KIX-* This was a valid routing for OB =13,959. Not ideal as I would back track to ICN and I plan on burning some Avios for trips in between.
At this point, I wanted to push my luck so I asked if the IB could be reverted back to CGK-BKK-HND-* on a one-way...validated! = 15,166
So on the IB at ICN we tried *-ICN(S)-TPE-SIN-CGK=15,774 with no luck, however *-ICN(S)-SIN-CGK=15,737 works.
AP agent was amazing and I can’t thank her enough for her patience and extraordinarily diligence (3hrs).
My ITA math was irrelevant, so I’m speculating is there a maximum segment allowance on a route to destination? I don’t recall ever reading about it and found only one DP pre-Amadeus with 10 segments to turnaround.
I apologize in advance if the formatting isn’t aligned as I wrote this on a mobile.Mid-2021 mixed J/F
JFK-CGK: JSON=16,621 / ITA=12,049
Final results: OB=15,737 / IB=15,166 (13 segments)
JFK-LIS-ORY,CDG-BRU-LHR-AUH-ICN(S)-SIN-CGK(D)
CGK-BKK-HND-FRA-ORD-EWR
2 Pax, AP=430K, $1259...+ LH carrier fees once F opens.
Each call I began, I asked if the agent had any experience booking a mRTW. If they told me no/RTW aren’t offered anymore HUCA..8 Times.
Initial routing on the outbound leg included TPE and MNL after ICN=15,978. Wouldn’t validate and agent mentioned I was over by 25% which needed to be at 20%. She also mentioned the ITA MPM. Did some math around the ITA MPM 20%=14,459.
The agent went above and beyond which exceeded my expectations as she tried applying different routes, one ways, open-jaw, phantom on her own accord!...some DPs:
- IB was switched at one point to CGK-SIN-KIX-HND-FRA-JFK, which she then mentioned she wanted to see if it would validate as a one-way...it did=13,542
- OJ: *-ICN-TPE-MNL (OJ) CGK-SIN-KIX-* This was a valid routing for OB =13,959. Not ideal as I would back track to ICN and I plan on burning some Avios for trips in between.
At this point, I wanted to push my luck so I asked if the IB could be reverted back to CGK-BKK-HND-* on a one-way...validated! = 15,166
So on the IB at ICN we tried *-ICN(S)-TPE-SIN-CGK=15,774 with no luck, however *-ICN(S)-SIN-CGK=15,737 works.
AP agent was amazing and I can’t thank her enough for her patience and extraordinarily diligence (3hrs).
My ITA math was irrelevant, so I’m speculating is there a maximum segment allowance on a route to destination? I don’t recall ever reading about it and found only one DP pre-Amadeus with 10 segments to turnaround.
Aug 9, 2020, 10:20 am
#364
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The really good agents I've booked mine with would probably answer your question with a "no".
Aug 14, 2020, 5:56 pm
#365
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 8
I'm hoping someone with a lot more knowledge than I have can tell me if this is a legal mini around the world itinerary? If not then what can I do to make it legal? This would be booked before the November change. Using 220,000 miles.
LAX-HND-BKK (Stop)-SIN-AUH-JNB-ZRH-CDG(STOP) AUH-JFK-LAX
most in F
Thanks!
LAX-HND-BKK (Stop)-SIN-AUH-JNB-ZRH-CDG(STOP) AUH-JFK-LAX
most in F
Thanks!
Aug 14, 2020, 6:15 pm
#366
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No, for the simple reason that SIN is your destination (because it's furthest), and you can't transit AUH twice on one side of your destination.
Though even if that weren't the case, SIN-AUH-JNB-ZRH-CDG-AUH-JFK-LAX would be problematic at 25k+ miles.
Edit: Missed JNB... one sec.... nevermind, you're not stopping there so it doesn't affect the above analysis.
Though even if that weren't the case, SIN-AUH-JNB-ZRH-CDG-AUH-JFK-LAX would be problematic at 25k+ miles.
Edit: Missed JNB... one sec.... nevermind, you're not stopping there so it doesn't affect the above analysis.
Aug 14, 2020, 8:58 pm
#367
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: sqrt(-united states of apologist)
Programs: *$ Green
Posts: 5,403
Also, you can build a PNR without an ARNK when you're connecting on two airports that have the same city code (CDG/ORY/PAR, LHR/LGW/LON, HND/NRT/TYO, etc.), But I think you'll still end up with one on your ticket.
Aug 16, 2020, 6:09 pm
#368
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,082
I'm hoping someone with a lot more knowledge than I have can tell me if this is a legal mini around the world itinerary? If not then what can I do to make it legal? This would be booked before the November change. Using 220,000 miles.
LAX-HND-BKK (Stop)-SIN-AUH-JNB-ZRH-CDG(STOP) AUH-JFK-LAX
most in F
Thanks!
LAX-HND-BKK (Stop)-SIN-AUH-JNB-ZRH-CDG(STOP) AUH-JFK-LAX
most in F
Thanks!
Since BKK is your "destination" your inbound leg is way over MPM, plus the fact you cannot transit same airport/city twice for your inbound either.
Not sure what exactly the MPM for LAX-BKK is.... but, if you did something like BKK-SIN-AUH-CDG-ZRH/FRA-LAX that may be doable in terms of MPM.
Aug 16, 2020, 7:37 pm
#369
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,631
If the MPM for LAX-BKK is indeed 13,720, you'd still be hard pressed to get back to LAX via SIN-AUH-CDG-JFK.
Maybe look at stopping in SIN (14,560 MPM?) instead (and buying a separate ticket to BKK), then going SIN-AUH-CDG-ZRH/FRA-JFK-LAX?
That way you could take J from TYO to CGK then SIN F from CGK to SIN, short as that flight might be.
And you'd have more room to manouvre back through Europe.
Maybe look at stopping in SIN (14,560 MPM?) instead (and buying a separate ticket to BKK), then going SIN-AUH-CDG-ZRH/FRA-JFK-LAX?
That way you could take J from TYO to CGK then SIN F from CGK to SIN, short as that flight might be.
And you'd have more room to manouvre back through Europe.
Oct 7, 2020, 1:09 pm
#370
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I just booked a 14,025 mile BKK-SFO: BKK-SIN-AUH-MUC-HAM-ZRH-SFO
Wiki has 13,956. Certainly close, but it's over by enough that I don't think it's just them being off by a few miles for AUH-MUC.
MUC-ZRH-SFO would have me under, but the 35 and 40 minute connections have me hopeful for an involuntary change after November 8, with the goal being MUC-SFO in LH F.
Wiki has 13,956. Certainly close, but it's over by enough that I don't think it's just them being off by a few miles for AUH-MUC.
MUC-ZRH-SFO would have me under, but the 35 and 40 minute connections have me hopeful for an involuntary change after November 8, with the goal being MUC-SFO in LH F.
Oct 11, 2020, 1:54 am
#371
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,082
Aside from that, is your current booking J reward? In event of involuntary change, AP is OK with changing from J -> F? With additional points of course.
Last edited by pentiumvi; Oct 11, 2020 at 2:16 am
Oct 11, 2020, 8:07 pm
#373
Join Date: Jul 2016
Programs: Aeroplan Elite 35K
Posts: 102
YYZ-SYD Mini RTW
Finally able to pieces all legs together from YYZ to SYD, both directions are well above 16300 miles each way, I believe this is the best way to max out the MPM for a itinerary from Toronto to Sydney, in a Mini-RTW format 😀
Oct 11, 2020, 8:24 pm
#374
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: USA
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Posts: 5,193
If the MPM for LAX-BKK is indeed 13,720, you'd still be hard pressed to get back to LAX via SIN-AUH-CDG-JFK.
Maybe look at stopping in SIN (14,560 MPM?) instead (and buying a separate ticket to BKK), then going SIN-AUH-CDG-ZRH/FRA-JFK-LAX?
That way you could take J from TYO to CGK then SIN F from CGK to SIN, short as that flight might be.
And you'd have more room to manouvre back through Europe.
Maybe look at stopping in SIN (14,560 MPM?) instead (and buying a separate ticket to BKK), then going SIN-AUH-CDG-ZRH/FRA-JFK-LAX?
That way you could take J from TYO to CGK then SIN F from CGK to SIN, short as that flight might be.
And you'd have more room to manouvre back through Europe.
I do hope Australia's border closure through late 2021 gets changed a bit by next summer... We have some tickets for 2021 too.
Oct 11, 2020, 9:51 pm
#375
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
So glad I visited Sydney and NZ this Feb, just before Covid-19 went nuts