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New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:

How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html

Between:

Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)

Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT: 9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)


Europe 1-North America

Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952

Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)

Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)

Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)

Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)

Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)


North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)

North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)

North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017

-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)

North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.

North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)

As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068

North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)


North America-Northern South America

North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017

North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)

North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
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Old Jun 18, 17, 1:20 pm
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Just called as was quoted the following...

Actually first I was quoted "I can't give you that, because depending on what city you connect through it changes"...pretty sure that's exactly what MPM is for no? To make the connection points irrelevant as long as they're UNDER the mpm. I've never had anyone NOT be able to give me that info before...so I pulled the HUACA and got another agent who didn't seem to know what I was talking about, then gave me the info and seemed surprised I was looking for it or something.

YVR-CAI 11,130
YVR-IST 9,910
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Old Jun 18, 17, 1:42 pm
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About 60% of the times I call in for MPMs, I get a very confused agent. You just have to assume the amount of people calling in for MPMs is minuscule compared to the total call volume.
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Old Jun 18, 17, 4:44 pm
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When it was under the old official mpm status you did get discounts based on connecting cities. For example, going to Europe from YVR, there was a 400 mile reduction if we connected through YYZ or YUL
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Old Jun 18, 17, 6:09 pm
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Thanks for the update!
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Old Jun 20, 17, 11:47 am
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Added YEG-CNX (11,822 miles)
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Old Jul 1, 17, 6:54 pm
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How to get MPM yourself

I'm surprised no one has posted this, as Aeroplan has included the MPM in their search results source for several years.

Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure the other stop is a lot closer to home and that all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):

https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false

Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.

Or, a faster method but only tested on Chrome, after the results load simply type this into your browser's address bar. Replace [colon] with the real : character

javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.mpm);

To verify your POT is correct, type

javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.pot);

To view the city pair distances, use:

javascript[colon]alert(JSON.stringify(results.results.NormalResults .distances));

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Old Jul 1, 17, 7:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Fly1234 View Post
I'm surprised no one has posted this, as Aeroplan has included the MPM in their search results source for several years.

Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):

https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false

Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
Interesting, gotta try it later when I have some time
how do people even come across this
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Old Jul 1, 17, 9:48 pm
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Just checked YVR-JNB and it's within 10 miles of that posted in the wiki.

Thanks Fly1234.

You learn something new every day.

cheers

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Old Jul 1, 17, 10:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Fly1234 View Post
I'm surprised no one has posted this, as Aeroplan has included the MPM in their search results source for several years.

Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):

https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false

Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.
Thanks a lot!
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Old Jul 1, 17, 10:57 pm
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I tried a few from YYZ...they are close to the wiki quoted values for SIN and MEL.
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q) "mpm":15480
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q) "mpm":16200

But is significantly HIGHER for SIN compared to wiki reported value.
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q) "mpm":15441 >> 2346 higher, and almost the same as YYZ-SYD!

More than a few times an Aero rep has told me the MPM will fluctuate depending on the route you take, but even with using a different stopover, I tried different variations yet the JSON page's "mpm" didn't change for the same city pairing. Hmmm.
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Old Jul 2, 17, 8:00 am
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If you're willing to spend some time playing around you can also "verify" the MPM by finding a stop that is far enough away to almost max out the MPM. So if you pick options 1, 2 and 3 Aeroplan's JavaScript will disable route options that exceed the MPM. Or you could manually total up the distance of the individual legs using the JSON source. Gcmap may be close enough, but it's usually a few miles off.

I have never seen the MPM fluctuate in my research, I have a spreadsheet with results from months ago with the same values today.


Originally Posted by JJonahJ View Post
I tried a few from YYZ...they are close to the wiki quoted values for SIN and MEL.
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q) "mpm":15480
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q) "mpm":16200

But is significantly HIGHER for SIN compared to wiki reported value.
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q) "mpm":15441 >> 2346 higher, and almost the same as YYZ-SYD!

More than a few times an Aero rep has told me the MPM will fluctuate depending on the route you take, but even with using a different stopover, I tried different variations yet the JSON page's "mpm" didn't change for the same city pairing. Hmmm.
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Old Jul 2, 17, 8:05 am
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Yes, there's something about 10 miles off I haven't figured out yet. The only time I've phoned in I was given a value 10 miles off vs. my method (+ or -, I can't remember).

Originally Posted by kalderlake View Post
Just checked YVR-JNB and it's within 10 miles of that posted in the wiki.

Thanks Fly1234.

You learn something new every day.

cheers

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Old Jul 8, 17, 9:40 am
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A data point I'd like to add that shows the pseudo MPM is somewhat of a black box:

HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ (LH F for the first 2 segments, AC J for the 3rd) was accepted. That's a whopping 12,040 miles.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=HKG-FRA-DFW-YYZ
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Old Jul 8, 17, 12:32 pm
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Per Aeroplan Rep Today...

Originally Posted by Eternity000 View Post
Out of curiosity how are you getting the max milleage info. If we call AP and ask for a destination will they give it to us?
Apologies, I do not have the required karma to edit the wiki.

I spoke to a rep today (after the first one didnt give me the info I HUCA)

YYZ-JNB - 13,258
YYZ-MRU - 15,166

Hope this helps someone!
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Old Jul 9, 17, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Fly1234 View Post
I'm surprised no one has posted this, as Aeroplan has included the MPM in their search results source for several years.

Simply search for a 3 flight multicity trip with dummy dates, set the origin and return your home airport and the 1st or 2nd destination your desired POT. Make sure the other stop is a lot closer to home and that all 3 legs have availability. Then once the flight results load, in a new tab quickly open the JSON source using this URL (replace the dns if different):

https://www5.aeroplan.com/adr/Result...forceIkk=false

Then in the JSON, search for the text "mpm". You'll also see other goodies in the file such as the miles between each segment's city pair.

Or, a faster method but only tested on Chrome, after the results load simply type this into your browser's address bar. Replace [colon] with the real : character

javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.mpm);

To verify your POT is correct, type

javascript[colon]alert(results.results.NormalResults.pot);

To view the city pair distances, use:

javascript[colon]alert(JSON.stringify(results.results.NormalResults .distances));
So awesome, thanks man!
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