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sluis Jun 4, 2014 10:33 am

I guess this means that there is only going to be one flight between YVR and SYD during the peak season : (

Heffeh41 Jun 4, 2014 10:38 am

United is Flying the 787 to MEL in the fall, a pretty good alternative in my opinion if SYD is not your final destination.

winnipegrev Jun 4, 2014 10:38 am


Originally Posted by sluis (Post 22977278)
I guess this means that there is only going to be one flight between YVR and SYD during the peak season : (

I think that experiment in 2012/13 was deemed a failure which is why it wasn't back this winter. Too short a period so when the service started most YVR-SYD were empty, at the end most SYD-YVR flew empty since ski vacations require roundtrip flights. Crew said many flights had terrible load factors, AC35 was full for me going down but 36 had everyone stretched across 3 seats going back :)

winnipegrev Jun 4, 2014 10:40 am


Originally Posted by Heffeh41 (Post 22977307)
United is Flying the 787 to MEL in the fall, a pretty good alternative in my opinion.

Nothing wrong with a pre-reconfig AC 77W, they are just as good as the 77L and worlds ahead of the smaller 787 seats.

jay31 Jun 4, 2014 12:20 pm

Do you think they would do Premium Economy to SYD?

winnipegrev Jun 4, 2014 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by jay31 (Post 22977984)
Do you think they would do Premium Economy to SYD?

Considering all 777s and 787s will have PE, it is a sure thing SYD will get PE. Just not until the refurb which apparently starts Q4 2015.

rehoult Jun 4, 2014 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by jay31 (Post 22977984)
Do you think they would do Premium Economy to SYD?

All 777 routes will get PE as they are reconfiguring all the current ones to add PE, revamp J and goto 3-4-3 in Y. Just a matter of time.

The Lev Jun 4, 2014 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by jay31 (Post 22977984)
Do you think they would do Premium Economy to SYD?

Eventually the entire long haul fleet will have PE (once all 763's and 330's which don't have the range are retired), so yes.

jay31 Jun 4, 2014 12:46 pm

I am hoping to go in Feb 2015, so i guess no premium economy for me.

Thanks for the info!

CloudsBelow Jun 4, 2014 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by yyz_atc_qq (Post 22976512)
Well considering the B77L can operate with no restrictions to payload, the B77W used to be restricted both with passengers (to the B77L load) as well as cargo.

Considering that the B77L has a capacity of 270, and the non-HD B77W has a capacity of 349, a 69 passenger restriction (19.7%) plus cargo restriction is HUGE is my book.

The CX B77W that operates YYZ-HKG-YYZ has a passenger capacity of 340 (unless they sub an aircraft with F, and then it's down to 275). Either way it's less than the non-HD AC B77W.

I’m not sure what you’re saying. What was the MTOW of AC 77W prior?

Let’s look at 775K 77W on YYZ-HKG :

Using 85% annual wind/temp factor, YYZHKG ESAD is 7,150nm
77W range with full 349 passenger payload is ~ 7,500nm
If AC decide to block any seats on AC15 with a 77W (let alone 19.7%), it’s because they’re choosing freight over PAX and/or extreme weather enroute, not the limitation of the frame itself

CloudsBelow Jun 4, 2014 12:53 pm


Originally Posted by winnipegrev (Post 22977253)
And once all 77Ws get reconfigured up to 400 seats - what then? Back to 300 seat 77Ls?

I'd imagine once these configs are in place, we won't be seeing LRs in LHR/GRU (and any other odd 777 deployment) - They will stick to the ULH flying they were bought for and the 400-seat ERs won't be on any sectors >13 hrs.

winnipegrev Jun 4, 2014 1:29 pm


Originally Posted by CloudsBelow (Post 22978179)
I’m not sure what you’re saying. What was the MTOW of AC 77W prior?

I'd really like an answer from AC on this. I was under the impression ALL of AC's 77Ws were 775,000lb on delivery. This article I linked at the bottom says it went from 760->775k way back in 2003, so obviously AC's models all 2007 or newer would have 775.

Is there a new MTOW upgrade I am not aware of?

As well, this pilots forum states that the higher MTOW on the certificates for AC's 5 newest 77Ws is a misprint. It includes max ramp weight, not takeoff weight. Aircraft would be expected to burn down to 775K before takeoff.

http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/53996...00er-mtow.html

http://www.aviationtoday.com/regions...line_3975.html

CloudsBelow Jun 4, 2014 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by winnipegrev (Post 22978400)
I'd really like an answer from AC on this. I was under the impression ALL of AC's 77Ws were 775,000lb on delivery. This article I linked at the bottom says it went from 760->775k way back in 2003, so obviously AC's models all 2007 or newer would have 775.

I thought they were all 775K too.
I'd assume in the 750-760 range
Guess it's not surprising as 77E and non-ER 773 had multiple MTOW offerings.
Boeing charges for added MTOW and, obviously, AC didn't feel the need with their planned 77W deployment. Why pay for performance you don't need.
Guess the re-config of the 777 fleet has pulled ERs into LR territory where the extra bump really matters

Lights_a_blur Jun 4, 2014 2:00 pm


Originally Posted by CloudsBelow (Post 22978443)
I thought they were all 775K too.
I'd assume in the 750-760 range
Guess it's not surprising as 77E and non-ER 773 had multiple MTOW offerings.
Boeing charges for added MTOW and, obviously, AC didn't feel the need with their planned 77W deployment. Why pay for performance you don't need.
Guess the re-config of the 777 fleet has pulled ERs into LR territory where the extra bump really matters

Most airports charge landing fees based on MTOW, so there may have been additional incentive to keep the weight lower.

1Newflyer Aug 16, 2014 1:16 pm

You guys must know then which seats are best on 77L, for SYD-VYR we are on mid 2015.
Currently assigned 1DG, should we change?


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