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2016 777 Routes

*FAQ
Q: Are all 777s refurbished?
A: Yes, all active 777s have the new configuration (Executive Pod) J suites, Premium Economy, and 10-across Economy seats.

Q: Are the dividers in the middle J seats moveable? Can they be slid up/down?
A: No, all Dream Cabin J seat dividers do not come down and are fixed in place.

Summer 2016 777 International Routes
End of summer schedule changes will be added in the future

77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
Calgary – London Heathrow: AC850/851
Toronto – Hong Kong: AC15/16
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC858/859
Toronto – Vancouver – Sydney: AC33/34

77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
Toronto – Beijing: AC31/32
Toronto – Frankfurt: AC872/873
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC856/869
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC848/849
Toronto – Paris CDG: AC880/881
Toronto – Rome Fiumicino: AC890/891 until Sep 12 (out), Sep 13 (in)
Toronto – Shanghai Pudong: AC87/88
Toronto – Tokyo Haneda: AC5/6
Vancouver – Shanghai Pudong: AC25/26
Vancouver – Tokyo Narita: AC3/4

77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
Montreal – London Heathrow: AC864/865
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC870/871
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC884/885
Vancouver – Beijing: AC29/30
Vancouver – Hong Kong: AC7/8
Vancouver – London Heathrow: AC854/855

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 Aircraft Tracking (last updated Jun 16, 2016)
 Plane       Status       Location Details
 
 77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
 C-FIUA-701  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Apr 09/16  Out:May 09/16  (30 days)
 C-FIUF-702  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Nov 08/15  Out:Dec 27/15  (49 days)
 C-FIUJ-703  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Dec 27/15  Out:Feb 04/16  (39 days)
 C-FIVK-704  Done         Loc:HKG  In:May 09/16  Out:Jun 08/16  (30 days)
 C-FNND-705  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Mar 09/16  Out:Apr 09/16  (31 days)
 C-FNNH-706  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Feb 04/16  Out:Mar 09/16  (34 days)
 
 77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
 C-FITL-731  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Sep 01/15  Out:Nov 20/15  (80 Days)
 C-FITU-732  Done         Loc:GSO  In:May 03/16  Out:Jun 05/16  (33 days)
 C-FITW-733  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Nov 23/15  Out:Jan 06/16  (45 days)
 C-FIUL-734  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Mar 16/16  Out:Apr 17/16  (32 days)  
 C-FIUR-735  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Dec 09/15  Out:Jan 18/16  (40 days)
 C-FIUV-736  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Feb 26/16  Out:Apr 02/16  (36 days)
 C-FIUW-737  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Jan 06/16  Out:Feb 12/16  (37 days)
 C-FIVM-738  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Feb 13/16  Out:Mar 16/16  (32 days)
 C-FRAM-739  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Apr 02/16  Out:May 02/16  (30 days)
 C-FIVQ-740  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Jan 20/16  Out:Feb 26/16  (37 days)
 C-FIVR-741  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Apr 17/16  Out:May 17/16  (30 days)
 C-FIVS-742  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Oct 23/15  Out:Dec 08/15  (46 days)
 
 77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
 C-FIVW-743  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Mar 28/16  Out:Apr 23/16  (26 days)
 C-FIVX-744  Done         Loc:YMX  In:May 21/16  Out:Jun 03/16  (13 days)
 C-FNNQ-745  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Jun 03/16  Out:Jun 16/16  (13 days)
 C-FNNU-746  Done         Loc:YMX  In:May 06/16  Out:May 21/16  (15 days)
 C-FNNW-747  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Apr 23/16  Out:May 06/16  (13 days)
 C-FJZS-748  In Service   Loc:YMX  FF:Mar 24/16  Del:Apr 26/16  EIS:May 18/16
 C-FKAU-749  In Service   Loc:YMX  FF:May 01/16  Del:May 21/16  EIS:Jun 10/16


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Old Nov 30, 2016, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by The Lev
The only difference between HD and "regular" 777's is the ratio of J vs. Y seats. If you book Y on an "almost HD" aircraft, you are getting the same sardine can seating as on the HD. Only practical difference on HD is slightly faster exit from Y if near the front and slightly longer if in the back.
And that difference is HUGE when an HD is substituted for a regular 77L or 77W and the number of J seats goes from 40 to 28. I encountered that earlier this month on AC 34 and a sure upgrade opportunity evaporated. But it did mean twice as much space in Y.
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Old Dec 11, 2016, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by briguychau
The old 777HD Y seats and the new 787-style 777 Y seats are physically the same seat I believe; they just had to change the upholstery to refurbish it. The PY seats are different physically, so they'd have to remove them, but I think they ought to replace them sometime in the future for consistency.
Further update. I found myself once again on one of the original 5 flying abominations, and lo and behold the PY cabin has been re-upholstered to match the new style. The entertainment system is still the old version (low resolution with vertical interlacing), and the seat shells are the old ones (cream colored sides with tan armrest, rather than newer dark grey ones), but the hard-leather padding is gone, replaced by the blueish 787/newer 777 style. MUCH more comfortable. Once again I didn't check Y, but since they didn't bother to change the seat shells or the entertainment system for PY, I doubt they would have done it for Y.

The important bit for me is that my butt can no longer tell the difference between the Y and PY products across different aircraft. If you care about the entertainment system, then there is still a big difference between the five original HDs and the rest of the 777/787 fleet.
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Old Dec 11, 2016, 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Mauricio23
Further update. I found myself once again on one of the original 5 flying abominations, and lo and behold the PY cabin has been re-upholstered to match the new style. The entertainment system is still the old version (low resolution with vertical interlacing), and the seat shells are the old ones (cream colored sides with tan armrest, rather than newer dark grey ones), but the hard-leather padding is gone, replaced by the blueish 787/newer 777 style. MUCH more comfortable. Once again I didn't check Y, but since they didn't bother to change the seat shells or the entertainment system for PY, I doubt they would have done it for Y.

The important bit for me is that my butt can no longer tell the difference between the Y and PY products across different aircraft. If you care about the entertainment system, then there is still a big difference between the five original HDs and the rest of the 777/787 fleet.
I can confirm that the Y seats have also been re-upholstered to match the 787s/777 refurb. The light controls and FA call buttons are annoyingly still in the armrests however...
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Old Dec 28, 2016, 6:03 pm
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How is AC's Business Class for YVR-SYD on 777-200?

Hello
Working on a Plan B for my YUL to SYD journey (ANA unfortunately doesn't look like will open up).
Has anyone tried recently the business class for Vancouver to Sydney? Is it a new configuration? I didn't find any business class reviews for this aircraft on SeatGuru. I recently did a Toronto to Seoul leg on AC's new 787 and loved it. Wondering if the 777-200 is the same updated seating or an old model?
Thanks!
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Old Dec 28, 2016, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by spartac
Hello
Working on a Plan B for my YUL to SYD journey (ANA unfortunately doesn't look like will open up).
Has anyone tried recently the business class for Vancouver to Sydney? Is it a new configuration? I didn't find any business class reviews for this aircraft on SeatGuru. I recently did a Toronto to Seoul leg on AC's new 787 and loved it. Wondering if the 777-200 is the same updated seating or an old model?
Thanks!

Hi there.

As for seat and configuration, I would recommend you visit the Air Canada Fleet page and look at the actual source. SeatGuru may do its best, but it is known to have inaccuracies.

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/77L.html


EDITED TO ADD:

This thread and especially the wiki at the top will tell you that all of AC's 777 versions have been refurbished

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...its-777-a.html

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Old Dec 28, 2016, 9:49 pm
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Just did the YVR-SYD run a few weeks ago in J. Yes, updated reverse herringbone format. Same as any other International J flight other than longer and more $$$. Same J config as 787. Still has the super annoying table that hampers your ability to turn or sleep on your side. I can't count how many times I've wacked my knees on this configuration. Great thing is that it departs YVR at midnight which is a natural time for sleeping making the flight quite effortless considering the 15+ hour flight time. I actually filmed a review of this trip but haven't had the time to edit it yet. When you do arrive in SYD, before deplaning, they crew will need to open all storage bins and fumigate the plane before anyone can get off.
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Old Dec 29, 2016, 8:29 pm
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I am not saying I brainwashed my friends. :P
But the horrors known as 10abeastPhobia are spreading

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Old Dec 29, 2016, 8:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Jumper Jack
I am not saying I brainwashed my friends. :P
But the horrors known as 10abeastPhobia are spreading

and you're seated where exactly?
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Old Dec 29, 2016, 8:39 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left
and you're seated where exactly?
6K
Ugh you got me
I guess the worst part is the friend paid double the miles for it. Ouch.
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Old Dec 29, 2016, 8:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Jumper Jack
6K
Ugh you got me
I guess the worst part is the friend paid double the miles for it. Ouch.
So which one of you is expecting my sympathies?
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Old Dec 30, 2016, 8:09 am
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Originally Posted by 24left
So which one of you is expecting my sympathies?
I vote me, Jack's just going transcontinental. I have YYZ-HKG on the spaceship. At least I get to sit next to a toddler so I get shoulder room.

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Old Dec 30, 2016, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by Chowtime
When you do arrive in SYD, before deplaning, they crew will need to open all storage bins and fumigate the plane before anyone can get off.
They have been doing that forever. SYD quarantine rules.

What is interesting though, if you take a flight on BA into SYD, they spray prior to arrival. Saves at least 10 minutes if you are on a short connection.

Would be nice to see AC doing this (if it were an option )
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Old Jan 19, 2017, 1:18 pm
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Flying AC880 YYZ to CDG soon with wife, and we return from LHR to YYZ - in business class. What would you advise in seating ... together or across the aisle? Metal is 777-300E.
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Old Jan 19, 2017, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by pwrshift
Flying AC880 YYZ to CDG soon with wife, and we return from LHR to YYZ - in business class. What would you advise in seating ... together or across the aisle? Metal is 777-300E.
If possible I would suggest taking one seat in front of the other one. One person lean forward, another person look back, and you two can talk freely without getting out of seats. The problem for middle seat is the divider can not be lowered. And if you need to reach your wife's seat, it envolves going through the galley. For across the aisle, the seats are staggered.
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Old Jan 19, 2017, 11:35 pm
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Originally Posted by songsc
If possible I would suggest taking one seat in front of the other one. One person lean forward, another person look back, and you two can talk freely without getting out of seats. The problem for middle seat is the divider can not be lowered. And if you need to reach your wife's seat, it envolves going through the galley. For across the aisle, the seats are staggered.
Thanks for this advice...wasn't aware the divider didn't go down. Last trip there we took BA business and enjoyed their setup facing each other and a divider that lowered. The ones in the middle on that plane looked like small bedrooms for two and thought AC would be similar.

I would have thought side by side across the aisle on AC would be better than one behind the other.
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