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2016 777 Routes

*FAQ
Q: Are all 777s refurbished?
A: Yes, all active 777s have the new configuration (Executive Pod) J suites, Premium Economy, and 10-across Economy seats.

Q: Are the dividers in the middle J seats moveable? Can they be slid up/down?
A: No, all Dream Cabin J seat dividers do not come down and are fixed in place.

Summer 2016 777 International Routes
End of summer schedule changes will be added in the future

77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
Calgary – London Heathrow: AC850/851
Toronto – Hong Kong: AC15/16
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC858/859
Toronto – Vancouver – Sydney: AC33/34

77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
Toronto – Beijing: AC31/32
Toronto – Frankfurt: AC872/873
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC856/869
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC848/849
Toronto – Paris CDG: AC880/881
Toronto – Rome Fiumicino: AC890/891 until Sep 12 (out), Sep 13 (in)
Toronto – Shanghai Pudong: AC87/88
Toronto – Tokyo Haneda: AC5/6
Vancouver – Shanghai Pudong: AC25/26
Vancouver – Tokyo Narita: AC3/4

77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
Montreal – London Heathrow: AC864/865
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC870/871
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC884/885
Vancouver – Beijing: AC29/30
Vancouver – Hong Kong: AC7/8
Vancouver – London Heathrow: AC854/855

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 Aircraft Tracking (last updated Jun 16, 2016)
 Plane       Status       Location Details
 
 77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
 C-FIUA-701  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Apr 09/16  Out:May 09/16  (30 days)
 C-FIUF-702  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Nov 08/15  Out:Dec 27/15  (49 days)
 C-FIUJ-703  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Dec 27/15  Out:Feb 04/16  (39 days)
 C-FIVK-704  Done         Loc:HKG  In:May 09/16  Out:Jun 08/16  (30 days)
 C-FNND-705  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Mar 09/16  Out:Apr 09/16  (31 days)
 C-FNNH-706  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Feb 04/16  Out:Mar 09/16  (34 days)
 
 77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
 C-FITL-731  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Sep 01/15  Out:Nov 20/15  (80 Days)
 C-FITU-732  Done         Loc:GSO  In:May 03/16  Out:Jun 05/16  (33 days)
 C-FITW-733  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Nov 23/15  Out:Jan 06/16  (45 days)
 C-FIUL-734  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Mar 16/16  Out:Apr 17/16  (32 days)  
 C-FIUR-735  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Dec 09/15  Out:Jan 18/16  (40 days)
 C-FIUV-736  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Feb 26/16  Out:Apr 02/16  (36 days)
 C-FIUW-737  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Jan 06/16  Out:Feb 12/16  (37 days)
 C-FIVM-738  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Feb 13/16  Out:Mar 16/16  (32 days)
 C-FRAM-739  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Apr 02/16  Out:May 02/16  (30 days)
 C-FIVQ-740  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Jan 20/16  Out:Feb 26/16  (37 days)
 C-FIVR-741  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Apr 17/16  Out:May 17/16  (30 days)
 C-FIVS-742  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Oct 23/15  Out:Dec 08/15  (46 days)
 
 77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
 C-FIVW-743  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Mar 28/16  Out:Apr 23/16  (26 days)
 C-FIVX-744  Done         Loc:YMX  In:May 21/16  Out:Jun 03/16  (13 days)
 C-FNNQ-745  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Jun 03/16  Out:Jun 16/16  (13 days)
 C-FNNU-746  Done         Loc:YMX  In:May 06/16  Out:May 21/16  (15 days)
 C-FNNW-747  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Apr 23/16  Out:May 06/16  (13 days)
 C-FJZS-748  In Service   Loc:YMX  FF:Mar 24/16  Del:Apr 26/16  EIS:May 18/16
 C-FKAU-749  In Service   Loc:YMX  FF:May 01/16  Del:May 21/16  EIS:Jun 10/16


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Old Sep 22, 2016, 8:43 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left
Recently flew one of the new birds, FIN 748 C-FJZS
Yes, 777-333ER or more fondly known as the HD.
Delivered April 26.

New plane smell.

The new lavs are similar to the 788/9s with no-touch faucets and the different color finish on the sink counters and floors.

The galley has new food carts and they seem to be made of slightly different materials and don't make as much noise. Nice finish too.

For some reason, the main cabin looks a little nicer than the refurb, but I can't explain why.

Stuff is still relatively clean-ish and in good shape. There is quite a bit of dirt along the window ledges and the lavs have dirt on the floor and this was before the flight departed.

Still, nice to be on new metal.
Disconcerting to be dirty while relatively new. I will keep the disinfecting wipes handy.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 10:56 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left
.....

The galley has new food carts and they seem to be made of slightly different materials and don't make as much noise. Nice finish too.
...
Are the food carts aircraft specific? I thought those things just randomly rotated through the system together with those cans (not certain the correct term) from catering that slide into the bulkhead locations.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 10:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Fiordland
Are the food carts aircraft specific? I thought those things just randomly rotated through the system together with those cans (not certain the correct term) from catering that slide into the bulkhead locations.
ATLAS size is used by about 80% of carriers but not by all carriers.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Fiordland
Are the food carts aircraft specific? I thought those things just randomly rotated through the system together with those cans (not certain the correct term) from catering that slide into the bulkhead locations.
AC carts always seem to have an AC logo. So I would thing they belong to the airline.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:04 pm
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Originally Posted by drdrew450
Does AC plan on refurbishing the longhaul 763s?
Nope, nothing has been said yet.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever
Nope, nothing has been said yet.
Either going to rouge, or the desert where they belong.

Or who knows, WS might buy them?
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
Either going to rouge, or the desert where they belong.

Or who knows, WS might buy them?
DL likes hand-me-downs.

One of them would make a nice restaurant.

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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
Either going to rouge, or the desert where they belong.

Or who knows, WS might buy them?
I can't remember the presentation 100% but I think they were going to keep something ike 5-8 of them for flex capacity on mainline.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever
I can't remember the presentation 100% but I think they were going to keep something ike 5-8 of them for flex capacity on mainline.
That was when the economy still looked reasonably OK. Might change in the current context. Although cheap fuel plays on the other side.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
That was when the economy still looked reasonably OK. Might change in the current context. Although cheap fuel plays on the other side.
The Global economy is on the up. While Alberta is in the Sh*tter, the 767 wasn't doing inter-alberta anyway.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever
The Global economy is on the up.
US may marginally be. EU, perhaps. UK might have been before brexit.

But China surely can't spend their way out of the mess forever. Just looking at government-subsidized empty real estate in China looks scary.


So in the larger scheme of things, I guess I would agree with the BoC guy. We'll get all badly hurt by a China crash. Only question being when.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
US may marginally be. EU, perhaps. UK might have been before brexit.

But China surely can't spend their way out of the mess forever. Just looking at government-subsidized empty real estate in China looks scary.


So in the larger scheme of things, I guess I would agree with the BoC guy. We'll get all badly hurt by a China crash. Only question being when.
I would argue there is no hard evidence to say there is a china crash coming.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever
I would argue there is no hard evidence to say there is a china crash coming.
The big risk to AC is a Canadian consumer crash. Which appears to be at least on the cusp of occurring as housing prices start to really collapse after a few years of stagnation, especially in YVR/YYZ. Since the planes are largely full of leisure/discretionary travelers these days (the business traveler is an endangered species!), delaying narrowbody (737) deliveries, retiring the 320 fleet, and letting the widebodies fill in the gap on the domestic transcons is definitely a valid strategy until things pick up.
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Old Sep 23, 2016, 11:53 pm
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Originally Posted by pitz
The big risk to AC is a Canadian consumer crash. Which appears to be at least on the cusp of occurring as housing prices start to really collapse after a few years of stagnation, especially in YVR/YYZ. Since the planes are largely full of leisure/discretionary travelers these days (the business traveler is an endangered species!), delaying narrowbody (737) deliveries, retiring the 320 fleet, and letting the widebodies fill in the gap on the domestic transcons is definitely a valid strategy until things pick up.
I also disagree this is the big risk to AC (while it is a Risk). AC has managed to spread out their business pretty well in the last few years, with a lot of non-Canadia O/D Travel.

The big risk to AC these days is really a global downturn in Air Travel.
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Old Sep 24, 2016, 7:42 am
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I wonder, how do the Y seats compare to the 763 Y seats?
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