AC Baggage Handlers Toss Bags 20Ft! VIDEO!
Apr 20, 2014, 2:31 pm
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Apr 20, 2014, 3:06 pm
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So how do you really feel?
Just curious: Do you always fly TPAC or a mix of int´l destinations? While I personally think there are many better options than AC on TPAC routes, I can´t think of many airlines on routes to South America and Europe with both a better soft product and hard product (for a pax travelling alone).
Just curious: Do you always fly TPAC or a mix of int´l destinations? While I personally think there are many better options than AC on TPAC routes, I can´t think of many airlines on routes to South America and Europe with both a better soft product and hard product (for a pax travelling alone).
Recently went to Europe on Lufthansa and Asia on Cathay.
Snubbed AC altogether. They SUCK
Apr 20, 2014, 3:15 pm
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You got me...I can't say LH and CX SUCK 'cause they don't. In fact when I got to Europe I usually prefer to fly LX and LH over AC as a first choice unless there is a great nonstop on AC.
Apr 20, 2014, 3:55 pm
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If you're claiming AC 777HD is an abomination, Can we bring up competing aircraft with competing airlines, OR should we just take your word for it?
Apr 20, 2014, 4:27 pm
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I don't get it? 7 AC staff told you the price paid was due to 788 delay? What people? Lounge agents? Concierge?
There was no questioning the favourable pricing. Linking the price w/ 788 delay was questioned as was the notion Boeing were eating the fit-up costs of the HD.
Is that reported in the MDA linked as well?
There was no questioning the favourable pricing. Linking the price w/ 788 delay was questioned as was the notion Boeing were eating the fit-up costs of the HD.
Is that reported in the MDA linked as well?
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Apr 20, 2014, 4:29 pm
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Airlines compete Globally with one another. OR should we just compare operational aspects of AC with the airlines you fly?
If you're claiming AC 777HD is an abomination, Can we bring up competing aircraft with competing airlines, OR should we just take your word for it?
If you're claiming AC 777HD is an abomination, Can we bring up competing aircraft with competing airlines, OR should we just take your word for it?
Apr 20, 2014, 5:07 pm
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Apr 20, 2014, 5:16 pm
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Apr 20, 2014, 5:17 pm
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Look, I don't give a rats a*s if you don't believe me or require a notarized copy of their purchase order with some Boeing Executive blood dripped over the signature. How about you start delivering some inside information for once instead of just being a little kid running around our feet in circles?
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Look, I don't give a rats a*s if you don't believe me or require a notarized copy of their purchase order with some Boeing Executive blood dripped over the signature. How about you start delivering some inside information for once instead of just being a little kid running around our feet in circles?
Apr 20, 2014, 5:27 pm
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BTW I agree that CloudsBelow's sniping at everyone's posts is getting rather tiresome...
Apr 20, 2014, 5:33 pm
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Getting back OT - this is just really bad optics
First off - I do not approve of the baggage handlers actions - any more than I approve of people driving 120km/h when the posted limit is 100km/h.
This is just a case of really bad optics, these bags were dropped ~20ft? Not too damaging - it just looks really, really bad to general public, but very little damage if any caused to the contents.
Those who are appaled by the actions of the baggage handles *would surely* be even more appaled when they find out how baggage is handled by the automate baggage handling system.
If you're really curious to see just how much force the average bag is subjected to, place a couple of these in your luggage. The Flex and ShockWatch 2 ae the ones I have used to most often, the results were not all that surprising.
Unfortunately, I figure the handlers in question have been pushed and pushed by the bean counters at Air Canada to meet the OTP (on time performance) targets for that particular flight, given that it was a 77P, their actions were probably the only way they felt they could maintain the OTP target. Firing these guys was akin to shooting the messenger - the underlying problem is still present.
I would prefer that bags are know thrown around, but the reality is that bags get a rough handling throughout the entire trip - you just don't see it.
I've seen bags fall out of planes from a greater height when cargo doors are opened, and I have seen what happens to bags in the innards of various airport baggage handling systems - it's all a lot worse that what is shown in the video.
Cure the disease - don't treat it.
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Apr 20, 2014, 5:38 pm
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I have met many airline Chief Pilots and at some airlines they have quite a significant amount of input regarding certain choices the airlines make. They usually arrive at these decision by consulting with those on the line, so you KLM line is spot on with what I have seen.
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Apr 20, 2014, 5:40 pm
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Apr 20, 2014, 5:48 pm
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AC fires baggage handlers, lets it leak to the public. PR disaster is defused, at least as best they can for now. News coverage dies down. Fired employees grieve, union takes the grievance to AC. After the usual arm waving by lawyers, they settle, or maybe take it to arbitration to make the point. Since these arbitrations are held behind closed doors, we'll never know if it happens, nor the outcome if it does. Fired employees will be reinstated with full back pay and a written reprimand on their file.
In a few weeks they'll be back on the job and we'll never know. In the meantime, all the other baggage handlers will carry bags down the stairs one by one at a snail's pace, claim back injuries and go on compo.
Apr 20, 2014, 5:53 pm
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Classic! So here's how this is going to play out:
AC fires baggage handlers, lets it leak to the public. PR disaster is defused, at least as best they can for now. News coverage dies down. Fired employees grieve, union takes the grievance to AC. After the usual arm waving by lawyers, they settle, or maybe take it to arbitration to make the point. Since these arbitrations are held behind closed doors, we'll never know if it happens, nor the outcome if it does. Fired employees will be reinstated with full back pay and a written reprimand on their file.
In a few weeks they'll be back on the job and we'll never know. In the meantime, all the other baggage handlers will carry bags down the stairs one by one at a snail's pace, claim back injuries and go on compo.
AC fires baggage handlers, lets it leak to the public. PR disaster is defused, at least as best they can for now. News coverage dies down. Fired employees grieve, union takes the grievance to AC. After the usual arm waving by lawyers, they settle, or maybe take it to arbitration to make the point. Since these arbitrations are held behind closed doors, we'll never know if it happens, nor the outcome if it does. Fired employees will be reinstated with full back pay and a written reprimand on their file.
In a few weeks they'll be back on the job and we'll never know. In the meantime, all the other baggage handlers will carry bags down the stairs one by one at a snail's pace, claim back injuries and go on compo.
The second statement is just in poor taste.
