Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Mar 12, 2019, 8:52 pm
#1891
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The situation has some similarities to the de Havilland Comet. After two "mysterious" crashes, the Comet was grounded until the cause could be determined. They did and the subsequent Comet 4 and other variants were superb aeroplanes that kept flying for 60 years.
AC and WS can "voluntarily" withdraw the 7M8 from service. They do not need to wait for a government order.
AC and WS can "voluntarily" withdraw the 7M8 from service. They do not need to wait for a government order.
Mar 12, 2019, 9:03 pm
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With Spring Break within sight losing a tenth of your fleet will still be a challenge to work around so could only imagine how big the impact would be for AC.
Mar 12, 2019, 9:06 pm
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If there is a technical problem with the 737 Max that requires Air Canada’s fleet to be grounded until a fix is developed then it will create significant chaos for travellers within Canada. The FAA doesn’t have enough intel at the moment to confirm wether there is an issue yet. It will be interesting to see what actually happened with the second incident. Regulators have some element of descretion.
I would not want to be in the shoes of Boeing’s CEO with 4,500 confirmed orders to fulfill and potentially being liable to the airlines for grounded planes due to a technical fault.
I would not want to be in the shoes of Boeing’s CEO with 4,500 confirmed orders to fulfill and potentially being liable to the airlines for grounded planes due to a technical fault.
Mar 12, 2019, 9:08 pm
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Mar 12, 2019, 9:09 pm
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Not sure which thread this belongs in, but Tom Podolec is tweeting that Sunwing will be grounding their 7M8’s - including one that was delivered yesterday.
They only have four, which is less than 10% of their fleet, but still.
https://twitter.com/tompodolec/statu...177199620?s=21
They only have four, which is less than 10% of their fleet, but still.
https://twitter.com/tompodolec/statu...177199620?s=21
Mar 12, 2019, 9:12 pm
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Superb airplanes they may have been, but the thing pretty much killed them commercially. The number of airframes built ended up a small fraction of the 707 and DC-8. Even short range planes such as the Caravelle did better. (Fond memories...)
Mar 12, 2019, 9:15 pm
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Mar 12, 2019, 9:15 pm
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Elsewhere someone posted that the Ethiopian aircraft had maintenance issues with their sensors. If this is true, then it appears we have two instances where mechanics presumably following Boeing procedures had "fixed" (or thought they had fixed) the faulty equipment - and presumably tested it before sending the aircraft on its merry way, only to find out that the equipment malfunctioned again on Lion and now possibly Ethiopian (pure speculation re Ethiopian at this stage). This makes me wonder if there is something amiss with Boeing's maintenance and/or testing procedures for these sensors.
Mar 12, 2019, 9:26 pm
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Mar 12, 2019, 10:08 pm
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Mar 13, 2019, 3:41 am
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