24left

Thank you

meagicano

Stranger

Why would the flaps be still on six minutes into the flight?

codfather

I do not want to begin speculating either, but this definitely makes me a little uneasy for my flight on the B38M in two months time. Evidently, something is seriously wrong with these aircraft. Two serious accidents in the span of four months is absolutely unbelievable.

skybluesea

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codfather

While I agree that jumping to conclusions is not an effective way of dealing with this, it is still making me uneasy. I have flown on the MAX a number of times, and I have always found it to be a nice aircraft. Until the facts come out, I will be avoiding this aircraft for my travel with AC.

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codfather

With all due respect @skybluesea I do not think your rather obnoxious remarks are warranted. We are discussing a very serious matter, and your lack of empathy speaks volumes of your character.

I would recommend in future that you do not make such outlandish statements towards other members on FT.

Your opinion on this matter is moot, and I would suggest you think twice before making such posts!

yhzflyer

I don't think that's the best analogy here. Rather, if a certain car had a bad safety record, I wouldn't buy, rent, or hire it.

Transpacificflyer

I don't think there is anything "wrong" with the aircraft itself. After a bit of listening to and reading commentary from actual experts, I have come to the realization that the issue is in large part related to two interrelated key aspects, neither of which is mechanical/technical; Sales practices and the closely associated training of pilots. These two issues should be known to Air Canada and hopefully a strategy is in place to address them.

I have had a few flights on the 737MAX with China Eastern and Shanghai Airlines. There are 11 aircraft at the airline now with the first deployed towards the end of 2017. No issues reported. My understanding is that there are in 58 Max in use with Chinese airlines, with no issues reported. Either the Chinese aircraft are magically protected, or the Chinese airlines have effectively trained their flight crews to respond to a flight control crisis on the aircraft.

The aircraft is sold as an easy step up for pilots who are flying older B737 models and AB319/320 models. The promotional material highlights the ease of transition and the cost containment associated with fleet changeover etc. Perhaps the promotional material has not emphasized the need for a pilot skill upgrade. The issues to date seem to relate to the flight control system changes and the need for a quick manual over ride when necessary. This requires intensive training and continual reinforcement. I note that Thai Lion is a relatively new airline and one with a rather poor reputation. Ethiopian has its own flight school and training facilities so it will certainly be of interest to Air Canada if the Ethiopian pilot training was faulty, or inadequate. I also note that both crashes have occurred with recent aircraft deployment.

In respect to Air Canada, because of the fleet characteristic being transitioned, I would hope that the pilot training will be extensive, intensive and repeated to minimize the potential for the pilot error issues associated with crashes to date. One need not recite the recent Air Canada human factor events to emphasize this point.

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RatherBeInYOW

Yeah, control issues obviously occurred 6 minutes in to the flight well above the altitude where the flaps would be deployed. Are you intentionally being obtuse?

RatherBeInYOW

Get a grip. Seriously.

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KenHamer

I don't know the cause of these crashes and don't comment on causes until real investigators complete their investigation. Nor do I think CNN is "fake news."

But two of the CNN commentators (Schiavo, Quest) are amongst the stupidest beings to ever inhabit the universe. If either of them ever claimed that 2+2=4 I would begin to suspect that every calculator ever manufactured was defective.