Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Nov 26, 2018, 12:12 pm
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Pretty decent article here that merges aeronautics with financial markets...
https://seekingalpha.com/article/422...h-report?ifp=0
https://seekingalpha.com/article/422...h-report?ifp=0
Nov 26, 2018, 3:51 pm
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Pretty decent article here that merges aeronautics with financial markets...
https://seekingalpha.com/article/422...h-report?ifp=0
https://seekingalpha.com/article/422...h-report?ifp=0
Nov 27, 2018, 4:24 pm
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From the Seattle Times today.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ontrol-system/
QUOTE:
"A key instrument reading on Lion Air flight JT610 was faulty even as the pilots taxied out for takeoff. As soon as the Boeing 737 MAX was airborne, the captain’s control column began to shake as a stall warning.
And from the moment they retracted the wing flaps at about 3,000 feet, the two pilots struggled — in a 10-minute tug of war — against a new anti-stall flight-control system that relentlessly pushed the jet’s nose down 26 times before they lost control."
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The graphs are posted on PPRuNe as is a segment from the NYTimes today
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...akarta-86.html
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ontrol-system/
QUOTE:
"A key instrument reading on Lion Air flight JT610 was faulty even as the pilots taxied out for takeoff. As soon as the Boeing 737 MAX was airborne, the captain’s control column began to shake as a stall warning.
And from the moment they retracted the wing flaps at about 3,000 feet, the two pilots struggled — in a 10-minute tug of war — against a new anti-stall flight-control system that relentlessly pushed the jet’s nose down 26 times before they lost control."
***
The graphs are posted on PPRuNe as is a segment from the NYTimes today
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...akarta-86.html
Nov 28, 2018, 11:07 am
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Hi,
I tried to find answer to my question in one of 103 pages but my search wasn't successful…
In September 2019 I'll fly in J from YVR to YYZ (flight AC182 at 00:45). As for know, it's A321 but according to Wiki, there're "Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family". Considering this information, is it possible that there'll be change of aircraft on my flight?
I tried to find answer to my question in one of 103 pages but my search wasn't successful…
In September 2019 I'll fly in J from YVR to YYZ (flight AC182 at 00:45). As for know, it's A321 but according to Wiki, there're "Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family". Considering this information, is it possible that there'll be change of aircraft on my flight?
Nov 28, 2018, 11:37 am
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Hi,
I tried to find answer to my question in one of 103 pages but my search wasn't successful…
In September 2019 I'll fly in J from YVR to YYZ (flight AC182 at 00:45). As for know, it's A321 but according to Wiki, there're "Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family". Considering this information, is it possible that there'll be change of aircraft on my flight?
I tried to find answer to my question in one of 103 pages but my search wasn't successful…
In September 2019 I'll fly in J from YVR to YYZ (flight AC182 at 00:45). As for know, it's A321 but according to Wiki, there're "Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family". Considering this information, is it possible that there'll be change of aircraft on my flight?
Nov 28, 2018, 11:42 am
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Good somewhat techy summary of the Indonesian preliminary report here:
https://leehamnews.com/2018/11/28/in...-crash-report/
Particularly interesting is this... "I think we have the explanation to the dive in these traces. For some reason, the flight control system experience a pitch breakout and half elevators cannot hold a nose down trimmed aircraft." In other words, if the pilot does not disengage the automatic trim system or manually re-trim in these kind of situations, the plane is doomed.
https://leehamnews.com/2018/11/28/in...-crash-report/
Particularly interesting is this... "I think we have the explanation to the dive in these traces. For some reason, the flight control system experience a pitch breakout and half elevators cannot hold a nose down trimmed aircraft." In other words, if the pilot does not disengage the automatic trim system or manually re-trim in these kind of situations, the plane is doomed.
Last edited by The Lev; Nov 28, 2018 at 12:52 pm
Nov 28, 2018, 11:59 am
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Hi,
I tried to find answer to my question in one of 103 pages but my search wasn't successful…
In September 2019 I'll fly in J from YVR to YYZ (flight AC182 at 00:45). As for know, it's A321 but according to Wiki, there're "Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family". Considering this information, is it possible that there'll be change of aircraft on my flight?
I tried to find answer to my question in one of 103 pages but my search wasn't successful…
In September 2019 I'll fly in J from YVR to YYZ (flight AC182 at 00:45). As for know, it's A321 but according to Wiki, there're "Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family". Considering this information, is it possible that there'll be change of aircraft on my flight?
If anything, you might be upgauged. Most of the eastbound TPAC flights coming into YVR continue on to Toronto ... sometimes they get in late, yet AC still needs the plane in YYZ the following morning. I've had it happen twice on that flight, the first time getting a 77W and the second time getting a 789.
Nov 30, 2018, 7:44 am
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https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/southwest-airlines-is-adding-new-angle-of-attack-indicators-to-its-737-max-fleet/
Will Air Canada retrofit their 737 MAX fleet to add this?
Will Air Canada require AOA indicator on future deliveries?
Last edited by expert7700; Nov 30, 2018 at 8:07 am
Nov 30, 2018, 9:55 am
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The IMA supports the indicator but I think this helps prove what I had read on Boeing forums-worldwide only AA/DL have paid to have it enabled.
https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...737-max-fleet/
Will Air Canada retrofit their 737 MAX fleet to add this?
Will Air Canada require AOA indicator on future deliveries?
https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...737-max-fleet/
Will Air Canada retrofit their 737 MAX fleet to add this?
Will Air Canada require AOA indicator on future deliveries?
Dec 2, 2018, 5:12 pm
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1NZ0QL
Several carriers, including American Airlines, Southwest Airlines, Canada’s WestJet, Singapore Airlines offshoot SilkAir and Dubai’s flydubai, said the AOA DISAGREE alert was installed on their 737 MAX jets before the Lion Air crash.
Some airlines have also installed a separate optional gauge that gives pilots a direct AOA reading in the cockpit.
American Airlines and SilkAir already have the gauge, while Southwest said it decided after the Lion Air crash to install the gauge on future 737 MAX deliveries to provide “supplemental visual feedback for identifying erroneous AOA data”.
Air Canada said it would install the gauge “soon” but did not clarify whether it had made the decision before or after the Lion Air crash.
DEBATE ON COCKPIT INFORMATION
There has been a long-running industry debate about how much information should be displayed in the cockpit, notably about the angle at which the wing is slicing through the air.Several carriers, including American Airlines, Southwest Airlines, Canada’s WestJet, Singapore Airlines offshoot SilkAir and Dubai’s flydubai, said the AOA DISAGREE alert was installed on their 737 MAX jets before the Lion Air crash.
Some airlines have also installed a separate optional gauge that gives pilots a direct AOA reading in the cockpit.
American Airlines and SilkAir already have the gauge, while Southwest said it decided after the Lion Air crash to install the gauge on future 737 MAX deliveries to provide “supplemental visual feedback for identifying erroneous AOA data”.
Air Canada said it would install the gauge “soon” but did not clarify whether it had made the decision before or after the Lion Air crash.
Dec 2, 2018, 5:58 pm
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As to AC, surely if they would have thought previously that the thing serves some purpose (in addition to PR) surely they would have ordered it earler, one would think.
Dec 2, 2018, 6:08 pm
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"gauge" (more like an indicator) is nice, but that's not the big issue in this case. More like a PR stunt, they want to show they are doing something somewhat related, hence the PR thing. With the added benefit that as for as modifications are concerned, it's probably about as cheap as it gets. OTOH, might even add to the confusion...
As to AC, surely if they would have thought previously that the thing serves some purpose (in addition to PR) surely they would have ordered it earler, one would think.
As to AC, surely if they would have thought previously that the thing serves some purpose (in addition to PR) surely they would have ordered it earler, one would think.
Dec 24, 2018, 5:58 pm
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And here you can see all of the other "mostly covered" tail fins from the other birds, lol
https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris