Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
But the horse is completely dead. Trust me
Mar 13, 2019, 10:44 pm
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Mar 13, 2019, 10:51 pm
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Yes, it's a point which was debated from every possible angle today. It's done.
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Mar 13, 2019, 11:06 pm
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But I think the question here was about abundance of caution groundings while waiting for facts. That's the one that I think has been fully debated by now.
Mar 13, 2019, 11:12 pm
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Oh ugh. Hindsight debates are far less productive in my opinion. I'll think I'll have to go to the beach that day and let you all cover it
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Mar 14, 2019, 5:51 am
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A good read for all the Boeing apologists around here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...a61_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...a61_story.html
Mar 14, 2019, 6:55 am
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A good read for all the Boeing apologists around here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...a61_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...a61_story.html
The only new piece of information, which we don't have but apparently that the FCC and TC do, is some details that lead them to believe it is possible ET showed some similar characteristics as Lion Air, hence the grounding. And we knew that yesterday. Until there is more information publicly available, everything else is speculation.
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Mar 14, 2019, 8:34 am
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Excellent article from Leeham News. Absolutely worth the read.
Commentary: Boeing’s Tylenol moment and the need for radical transparency
By Judson Rollins March 13, 2019
https://leehamnews.com/2019/03/13/co...-transparency/
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In the section called "Passenger Avoidance, Pilot Concerns"
"One pilot wrote, “Now we know the systems employed are error-prone – even if the pilots aren’t sure what those systems are, what redundancies are in place and failure modes. I am left to wonder: what else don’t I know?”
Commentary: Boeing’s Tylenol moment and the need for radical transparency
By Judson Rollins March 13, 2019
https://leehamnews.com/2019/03/13/co...-transparency/
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In the section called "Passenger Avoidance, Pilot Concerns"
"One pilot wrote, “Now we know the systems employed are error-prone – even if the pilots aren’t sure what those systems are, what redundancies are in place and failure modes. I am left to wonder: what else don’t I know?”
Mar 14, 2019, 8:52 am
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Excellent article from Leeham News. Absolutely worth the read.
Commentary: Boeing’s Tylenol moment and the need for radical transparency
By Judson Rollins March 13, 2019
https://leehamnews.com/2019/03/13/co...-transparency/
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In the section called "Passenger Avoidance, Pilot Concerns"
"One pilot wrote, “Now we know the systems employed are error-prone – even if the pilots aren’t sure what those systems are, what redundancies are in place and failure modes. I am left to wonder: what else don’t I know?”
Commentary: Boeing’s Tylenol moment and the need for radical transparency
By Judson Rollins March 13, 2019
https://leehamnews.com/2019/03/13/co...-transparency/
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In the section called "Passenger Avoidance, Pilot Concerns"
"One pilot wrote, “Now we know the systems employed are error-prone – even if the pilots aren’t sure what those systems are, what redundancies are in place and failure modes. I am left to wonder: what else don’t I know?”
Mar 14, 2019, 8:55 am
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The Rollins article contains this summation: "Although Johnson & Johnson management knew the company was not responsible for the tampering of the product, they assumed responsibility by putting public safety first and recalling all affected products from the market. Herein lies an essential lesson for Boeing: When your reputation depends on safety, it does not matter what has been proven or who is at fault. What matters is that you are seen taking the lead to protect the safety of the public – at all costs."
It should go without saying that Air Canada should also pay heed, and not just specifically on the Max affair or even specifically on public safety-related items. Few doubt AC's ability to manage a collection of airplanes; it's how they manage their customer relationships that earns them such PR grief. Let's hope they take an active role in restoring public confidence in the airplane if it's cleared to fly, rather than allowing Transport Canada and Boeing to do all the 'splaining.
It should go without saying that Air Canada should also pay heed, and not just specifically on the Max affair or even specifically on public safety-related items. Few doubt AC's ability to manage a collection of airplanes; it's how they manage their customer relationships that earns them such PR grief. Let's hope they take an active role in restoring public confidence in the airplane if it's cleared to fly, rather than allowing Transport Canada and Boeing to do all the 'splaining.