Air Canada stock is soaring again on high loads and lower costs
Oct 8, 2013, 9:52 pm
#151
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You make many valid points and provide great food for thought.Check your sources on the YYT-DEL thing. I hear there are 12 potential passengers.
Last edited by Spounce; Oct 8, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Oct 8, 2013, 10:26 pm
#152
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But if EK was a better option I'd consider it, which is exactly what they are trying to avoid.
Oct 8, 2013, 10:32 pm
#153
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Yeah, and right now that would be LH which is essentially the same entity. Or at least that is how I flew to Doha and Riyadh when I had to go there for business (YOW - FRA - ...).
But if EK was a better option I'd consider it, which is exactly what they are trying to avoid.
But if EK was a better option I'd consider it, which is exactly what they are trying to avoid.
Oct 8, 2013, 10:42 pm
#154
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There are only a handful of people going to the Kingdom, and Riyadh or Jeddah would be pretty much 100% O&D because the connections (not to mention visa requirements...) are awful:
1. GCC residents (not many flying from YYZ)
2. Western business people (can't imagine there are too many flying from YYZ either, although I would have a few times about 2 years ago)
3. Workers (last I checked YYZ was not in Bangladesh)
4. Hajj pilgrims
I buy they could sustain seasonal service for #4, but not much else.
Last edited by RatherBeInYOW; Oct 8, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Oct 9, 2013, 1:11 am
#155
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That would be interesting.
There are only a handful of people going to the Kingdom, and Riyadh or Jeddah would be pretty much 100% O&D because the connections (not to mention visa requirements...) are awful:
1. GCC residents (not many flying from YYZ)
2. Western business people (can't imagine there are too many flying from YYZ either, although I would have a few times about 2 years ago)
3. Workers (last I checked YYZ was not in Bangladesh)
4. Hajj pilgrims
I buy they could sustain seasonal service for #4, but not much else.
There are only a handful of people going to the Kingdom, and Riyadh or Jeddah would be pretty much 100% O&D because the connections (not to mention visa requirements...) are awful:
1. GCC residents (not many flying from YYZ)
2. Western business people (can't imagine there are too many flying from YYZ either, although I would have a few times about 2 years ago)
3. Workers (last I checked YYZ was not in Bangladesh)
4. Hajj pilgrims
I buy they could sustain seasonal service for #4, but not much else.
Oct 9, 2013, 1:18 am
#156
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And that was a very interesting, knowledgeable and lively debate between Spounce and Yulred backing somewhat opposite points of view. And for the most part without personal insults. I wish more threads were like this instead of the ritual flaming.
Oct 9, 2013, 10:58 am
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Actually Saudia is offering some decent fares for onward connections to Pakistan and I believe India. They do not serve alcohol and on a long flight like that - so no Saudia for me. There are also Saudi students in Canada and since their govt pays tuition or part thereoff plus the direct flight would likely mean that most of them would fly Saudia. Probably affect EK/EY more than anyone else.
Oct 9, 2013, 7:51 pm
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If I was Indian or Pakistani (or had dark skin in general) I would avoid Saudi like the plague. The racism is overt and in your face. That is going to take a huge chunk out of any possible market in SE asia via RUH. Not to mention any issues or long layovers require a transit Visa, and good luck with that.
You are allowed up to 18 hours connection in order to use TWOV if flying on SV.
Oct 10, 2013, 4:24 am
#159
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Which airlines are actively expanding? And which ones are simply replacing their current fleets? And If the yields aren't strong, why are airlines actively clamouring to come in? I note that you've ignored the relationship between yields, operating costs and low cost bases.
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Oct 10, 2013, 12:48 pm
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There is a new nav equipment requirement coming in, and BA is not intending to retrofit it to their 767's, so the 767 have to be off TATL by Feb 2015.
Oct 30, 2013, 2:00 pm
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Air Canada shares rise above 5-year high in heavy trading
http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/air-c...ding-1.1520515
TORONTO -- Air Canada's class B shares touched a fresh five-year high in heavy trading Wednesday, extending an upward trend that has seen the airline's stock value more than triple in the past year.
The shares (TSX:AC.B) traded for as much as $5.80 during the session, a level not seen since August 2008 -- just weeks before the economy slipped into a deep recession.
The shares were up 21 cents at $5.71 in afternoon trading.
A year ago, the stock closed at $1.80 on Oct. 30, 2012.
TORONTO -- Air Canada's class B shares touched a fresh five-year high in heavy trading Wednesday, extending an upward trend that has seen the airline's stock value more than triple in the past year.
The shares (TSX:AC.B) traded for as much as $5.80 during the session, a level not seen since August 2008 -- just weeks before the economy slipped into a deep recession.
The shares were up 21 cents at $5.71 in afternoon trading.
A year ago, the stock closed at $1.80 on Oct. 30, 2012.
Oct 30, 2013, 3:49 pm
#162
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http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/air-c...ding-1.1520515
TORONTO -- Air Canada's class B shares touched a fresh five-year high in heavy trading Wednesday, extending an upward trend that has seen the airline's stock value more than triple in the past year.
The shares (TSX:AC.B) traded for as much as $5.80 during the session, a level not seen since August 2008 -- just weeks before the economy slipped into a deep recession.
The shares were up 21 cents at $5.71 in afternoon trading.
A year ago, the stock closed at $1.80 on Oct. 30, 2012.
TORONTO -- Air Canada's class B shares touched a fresh five-year high in heavy trading Wednesday, extending an upward trend that has seen the airline's stock value more than triple in the past year.
The shares (TSX:AC.B) traded for as much as $5.80 during the session, a level not seen since August 2008 -- just weeks before the economy slipped into a deep recession.
The shares were up 21 cents at $5.71 in afternoon trading.
A year ago, the stock closed at $1.80 on Oct. 30, 2012.
Jan 9, 2014, 3:36 pm
#163
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Top gainer of today at 8.6% ! It took a bit of a beating the past few sessions but nodged the 52 Week High today.
Interesting activity around 10:30 AM with a huge buy order sending the price upwards...
Interesting activity around 10:30 AM with a huge buy order sending the price upwards...
Jan 9, 2014, 4:12 pm
#164
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