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rankourabu Oct 2, 2013 10:30 am


Originally Posted by Stranger (Post 21541548)
Mind you, I would normally never buy a full J seat if I can get a confirmed upgrade on a latitude pass. I don't think I have ever paid more than $4200 for a ticket

Bottom feeder!

Do not show your face at the country club ever again!

rankourabu Oct 2, 2013 10:31 am


Originally Posted by jarusoba (Post 21541560)
I told you that before if you read my earlier posts. Reward tickets are not the same as revenue tickets. You can't fly a reward ticket at any time you want.

who is talking about rewards?

Fuel dump an upgradeable fare, use a cert to confirm at booking, boom, J at 1/10th of what the rich fool is paying.

jarusoba Oct 2, 2013 10:43 am


Originally Posted by Stranger (Post 21541548)
Mind you, I would normally never buy a full J seat if I can get a confirmed upgrade on a latitude pass. I don't think I have ever paid more than $4200 for a ticket, except once for a RTW ticket, and once for an LHR-YYC (stop)-SYD-YYC (stop)-LHR in J, which effectively worked as both an LHR-YYC round trip plus a YYC-SYD round trip.

$5K was just an arbitrary figure I quoted in this post. Mind you, I usually buy two tickets at the same time. So $5K for two tickets in confirmed J seat, albeit base fare, is really reasonable.

jarusoba Oct 2, 2013 10:45 am


Originally Posted by rankourabu (Post 21541572)
who is talking about rewards?

Fuel dump an upgradeable fare, use a cert to confirm at booking, boom, J at 1/10th of what the rich fool is paying.

You were. But I think the posts got deleted. You were talking about buying miles to fly on reward tickets.

And see my post here regarding FD.

Stranger Oct 2, 2013 11:07 am


Originally Posted by rankourabu (Post 21541564)
Bottom feeder!

Do not show your face at the country club ever again!

Eh, why do you think I never seem to get invited to these SE events? :D

(Spending around $25k/year, consistently flying up front for close to ten years, making borderline SE every year.)

acysb87 Oct 2, 2013 11:21 am


Originally Posted by Stranger (Post 21541817)
Eh, why do you think I never seem to get invited to these SE events? :D

(Spending around $25k/year, consistently flying up front for close to ten years, making borderline SE every year.)

25K on routes ex centre of universe cities or non regional citiesis a lot of money.
Being a regional resident outside the centre of universe,I need to add to your base fares a little bit:eek::(

RCyyz Oct 2, 2013 2:05 pm

I fail to comprehend why some would willingly spend more money when realistic alternatives are available.

You can have product X for $1000.
You can have product X for $10.

Which would you choose and why?

How is this possibly a difficult choice?

rankourabu Oct 2, 2013 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by RCyyz (Post 21542918)
I fail to comprehend why some would willingly spend more money when realistic alternatives are available.

You can have product X for $1000.
You can have product X for $10.

Which would you choose and why?

How is this possibly a difficult choice?

Rcyyz - clearly you are not in the right higher social class if you need to ask this question.

Its so the concierge doesnt look at you funny, because they will think less of you, because if you buy product X at $10, you are a bottom feeder.

payam81 Oct 2, 2013 5:32 pm

I don't understand what exactly is getting debated here?

It's like the price of Gas. It goes up and down, and if you're smart and listen to Dan McTeague you can try to avoid some of the spikes but at the end of the day, there will be some days where you will have to fill up on a spike day.

Of course you could choose not to drive and wait for a dip day to fill up but that's the price you pay for convenience.

Some people are more risk-averse than others. These folks might choose to pay for a J seat to guarantee they ride up front. They have the means (either their own deep pockets or employer's). So what exactly is the problem?

Last I checked we do NOT live in a socialist state (yet!). And remember, the higher-social elite pay a lot more in to government coffers than most middle earners despite all the myth that there are loop-holes etc. the rich know to avoid taxes:

  • The top 1 per cent of income earners in Canada contribute 21.2 per cent of all federal, provincial and territorial taxes
  • The bottom 20 per cent of income earners contribute just 1.6 per cent of all income taxes
  • The bottom 50 per cent of Canadian earners pay approximately 17 per cent of all income taxes
(Ipsos Reid)

I don't support or condone anything but I don't understand why anyone should care how much anyone else paid for their tix! If you can get it cheaper and it works for you, that's all that matters!

rankourabu Oct 2, 2013 5:44 pm


Originally Posted by payam81 (Post 21543897)

I don't support or condone anything but I don't understand why anyone should care how much anyone else paid for their tix! If you can get it cheaper and it works for you, that's all that matters!

scroll back to where people who spend <$5000 on airfare were called bottom feeders :)

YOWzer Oct 2, 2013 5:53 pm


Originally Posted by rankourabu (Post 21543945)
scroll back to where people who spend <$5000 on airfare were called bottom feeders :)

If I recall correctly one of the AC Execs used the term "bottom feeders" to describe that market. Correct me if I'm wrong :confused:

canadiancow Oct 2, 2013 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by YOWzer (Post 21543979)
If I recall correctly one of the AC Execs used the term "bottom feeders" to describe that market. Correct me if I'm wrong :confused:

I'm curious what we would consider to be a bottom feeder.

Stranger Oct 2, 2013 6:31 pm


Originally Posted by YOWzer (Post 21543979)
If I recall correctly one of the AC Execs used the term "bottom feeders" to describe that market. Correct me if I'm wrong :confused:

Indeed, that's where the expression came to be in the current context.

payam81 Oct 2, 2013 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by rankourabu (Post 21543945)
scroll back to where people who spend <$5000 on airfare were called bottom feeders :)

Well when AC prices J to Asia upwards of 6K r/t I guess anything below would be considered "Bottom Feeder" but so what? True bottom feeders would just wear it as a badge of honor. :)

todare Oct 2, 2013 11:45 pm

i am on a tablet so this quote thhing isnt working well. Your figures are misleading as you don't base the taxes per wealth rather numbers. Note how much the top 1 percent owns compared to the bottom 50 percent then you get a ture picture.


Originally Posted by payam81 (Post 21543897)
I don't understand what exactly is getting debated here?

It's like the price of Gas. It goes up and down, and if you're smart and listen to Dan McTeague you can try to avoid some of the spikes but at the end of the day, there will be some days where you will have to fill up on a spike day.

Of course you could choose not to drive and wait for a dip day to fill up but that's the price you pay for convenience.

Some people are more risk-averse than others. These folks might choose to pay for a J seat to guarantee they ride up front. They have the means (either their own deep pockets or employer's). So what exactly is the problem?

Last I checked we do NOT live in a socialist state (yet!). And remember, the higher-social elite pay a lot more in to government coffers than most middle earners despite all the myth that there are loop-holes etc. the rich know to avoid taxes:

  • The top 1 per cent of income earners in Canada contribute 21.2 per cent of all federal, provincial and territorial taxes
  • The bottom 20 per cent of income earners contribute just 1.6 per cent of all income taxes
  • The bottom 50 per cent of Canadian earners pay approximately 17 per cent of all income taxes
(Ipsos Reid)

I don't support or condone anything but I don't understand why anyone should care how much anyone else paid for their tix! If you can get it cheaper and it works for you, that's all that matters!



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