Originally Posted by canadiancow

I think it comes down to the following points:
I would disagree about the cleaning. Or at least, when you have 10 people using a lavatory, it stays a lot cleaner than when you have 100 people using it.

One of the benefits of J is shorter lavatory lines. Another benefit is cleaner lavs (as a result of fewer passengers using it). Y passengers using the J lav absolutely affects my experience in J.

If an elderly/disabled person is sitting at the front of Y, and wants to use J because it's an easier walk, or a larger lav, then I can deal with that.

If the cart is blocking the way, then I completely understand why a Y pax would use the J lav, but I don't agree with it. I don't see another solution, but I don't have to like it.

If a Y pax uses the J lav because it's closer, or has a shorter line, then GTFO. You get what you pay for.

Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD

Interestingly, I have been written up for politely, and gently, trying to enforce the policy.

Originally Posted by djjaguar64

What if that elderly person cannot keep it in(#2) and it splatters all over the J loo?

Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD

Children, the elderly, and those with mobility issues are given some leeway. This thread has been covered many times. Interestingly, I have been written up for politely, and gently, trying to enforce the policy.

Originally Posted by supatight80

Well this was a TK A333 morning flight from BKK to IST this year and morning flights are not packed with J pax vis-a-vis the night TK flight from SGN (everyone was on row 1 and 2 except me, sitting on last J row 5)

Long story short, Y pax went up to to the loo in J (I personally don't give a hoot if someone from Y using the J loo as long as there is no line up...I mean if someone has to go, someone has to go). But after using the loo, he sat on the middle aisle seat across from me and then buckled up.

Perhaps less than 5 minutes later, he then decided to sit on the other row 5 seat on the other side of the plane, buckled up and started reading a newspaper. I saw 2 FAs passing by him, looked at him and by their looks, they were quite confused (I am sure they didnt want to offend the pax as perhaps they probably thought this was just another J pax wanting to sit way at the back for privacy).

Anyways, since Im on the last row of J, I pretty much can see who's moving where and if a Y pax decides to sneak in. At that point I got irritated because to me this pax was trying to scam the system....And if no FA is going to do something about it, then I would.

I know I know, we all have different opinions towards a Y pax sneaking into J or F for free. But I personally do not like it...It only takes 1 person to do it and get away with it, the next thing all empty J seats would be filled with Y pax at the middle of the flight who decides it's "A-OK" to do so and it'll be just a mess with FAs reminding them to go back.

And to answer your question Acnyyz why I got irked by it...It was just how sneaky and sly he did it....Sitting on the last row of J (row 5 has better privacy) when no one was looking and covering his face with a newspaper....

Originally Posted by Acnyyz

My point was that the slippery slope argument doesn't hold true, at least not IME. There isn't such a large number of people trying to sneak into J that we need J passengers keeping watch and telling FAs to have them removed. But I do understand your frustration, and I don't think it's fair (especially to the others in Y).

Just out of curiosity, how did the FAs react?

Originally Posted by j_the_p

I hope for your sake there is an appeal process and you went through it. Regardless of how minor my employer may view a "write-up", if I were following policy and got written up, I'd be voicing my displeasure (to put it mildly).

Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD

I can assure you the only thing more upsetting than a JC customer having their lavs invaded is intercepting and rerouting said YC customer to the appropriate location. Upsetting to the Customer - not me. Any notion that it's never enforced is bogus (with some previous notable exceptions).

Originally Posted by j_the_p

I hope for your sake there is an appeal process and you went through it. Regardless of how minor my employer may view a "write-up", if I were following policy and got written up, I'd be voicing my displeasure (to put it mildly).

Originally Posted by Wings100

Enforcement on LH always, on AC almost never

Originally Posted by TyCobb

I don't think so. Maybe on transcontinental. For intra-European LH flights; however, there is not even a suggestion that the front washrooms are reserved for the J cabin. Y passengers are more than welcomed through the curtain to use the washroom. On the other hand, I've seen many LH FA's take offense when a Y passenger, waiting for the washroom, sits downs at an empty J seat.

Originally Posted by supatight80

YES! But it was a very empty J TK flight from BKK-IST and almost every J passengers were sitting on row 1 and 2.

And unlike the Seinfeld show, two FA's passed by and looked at the passenger (I was sitting on the last J row 5C A333) and didnt do nothing.

I may get into trouble for saying this...But I personally stood up, called an FA, pointed at the passenger and said excuse me but this person isnt a J passenger and requested for him to be escorted back to Y.

Originally Posted by yyznomad

... and... so did they or did they not escort said offending passenger back to Y?

Originally Posted by supatight80

Yah, the F.A. escorted him back to Y...Hope i didnt do anything too awful