May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Jun 25, 2013, 7:54 pm
#751
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYZ
Programs: Aeroplan, 50K Altitude, Nexus
Posts: 339
I'm confused, is all yyz-las going rouge? I go there twice a year, for work. Might start shopping around for different carriers if its all rouge.
Jun 25, 2013, 8:38 pm
#752
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
from airlineroute.net
New Air Canada rouge Routes:
Toronto – Las Vegas eff 27OCT13 10 weekly 767-300 service (reduced from 14 weekly Mainline A319 service)
AC1851 YYZ0855 – 1051LAS 763 D
AC1853 YYZ2025 – 2221LAS 763 457
AC1852 LAS1145 – 1902YYZ 763 D
AC1854 LAS2320 – 0637+1YYZ 763 457
New Air Canada rouge Routes:
Toronto – Las Vegas eff 27OCT13 10 weekly 767-300 service (reduced from 14 weekly Mainline A319 service)
AC1851 YYZ0855 – 1051LAS 763 D
AC1853 YYZ2025 – 2221LAS 763 457
AC1852 LAS1145 – 1902YYZ 763 D
AC1854 LAS2320 – 0637+1YYZ 763 457
While I won't be on it, it's the best chance for this route. Can't depart YYZ too early as you'll need connections from 6a YYZ-bound Cdn flights.
On the return, you need to get into YYZ asap to keep all possible connections alive.
I will never understand any PAX ex pre-clear airport connecting in YYZ enroute to USA. It's completely illogical on many levels
Jun 25, 2013, 9:08 pm
#753
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
Comfort aside, it really is the perfect LAS schedule and will free up valuable A321s for LAX, YVR, YYC etc
Jun 25, 2013, 9:14 pm
#754
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,604
AC wants Rouge to expand to four cities. So after YYZ and YUL is done, YVR and YYC are the next logical ones on the list.
Jun 25, 2013, 9:32 pm
#757
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
I didn't mean positioning the A321s ex YYC and YVR, I meant AC could operate them more often on YYZ-YVR/YYC/LAX where they can make up some of their CASM gap vs. WS with more efficient a/c
Jun 25, 2013, 10:21 pm
#758
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,604
Jun 25, 2013, 11:25 pm
#759
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
LAS business does not compare w/ LAX/SFO business. Z fares to LAS support the lack of high yield business. Much like MCO - majority not "real" business if that makes sense. Hence, MCO gets all-Y 319
Jun 25, 2013, 11:34 pm
#760
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,604
I have an issue with Flex Rouge fares, that are priced the same as the competition and AC mainline that offer 10% AQM for distance traveled. It's insulting.
I probably care more because I do at least 1 or 2 trips a year to leisure routes and pay for J. Going forward if I do Premium Rouge, not only do I lose the COS bonus but I don't even get close to 100% AQM.
Jun 26, 2013, 6:12 am
#761
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,304
Jun 26, 2013, 6:45 am
#762
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYZ
Programs: Aeroplan, 50K Altitude, Nexus
Posts: 339
I don't have an issue with lack of Z fares or business class. If AC does not think they can sell J, then they certainly should not offer it just so Altitude members can upgrade.
I have an issue with Flex Rouge fares, that are priced the same as the competition and AC mainline that offer 10% AQM for distance traveled. It's insulting.
I probably care more because I do at least 1 or 2 trips a year to leisure routes and pay for J. Going forward if I do Premium Rouge, not only do I lose the COS bonus but I don't even get close to 100% AQM.
I have an issue with Flex Rouge fares, that are priced the same as the competition and AC mainline that offer 10% AQM for distance traveled. It's insulting.
I probably care more because I do at least 1 or 2 trips a year to leisure routes and pay for J. Going forward if I do Premium Rouge, not only do I lose the COS bonus but I don't even get close to 100% AQM.
Maybe I will start looking at United and connect through ORD or stick with AC and go though YYC.
Jun 26, 2013, 7:32 am
#763
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
When you travel to LAS on business, do you buy a Biz seat?
If you just buy Y and your employer expects lowest fare, AC can now compete with the only other n/s option out of YYZ over in T3
Jun 26, 2013, 7:48 am
#764
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYZ
Programs: Aeroplan, 50K Altitude, Nexus
Posts: 339
I travel to LAS 3-5 times a year. Half the trips are "business". There is no difference in my ticketing habits.
When you travel to LAS on business, do you buy a Biz seat?
If you just buy Y and your employer expects lowest fare, AC can now compete with the only other n/s option out of YYZ over in T3
When you travel to LAS on business, do you buy a Biz seat?
If you just buy Y and your employer expects lowest fare, AC can now compete with the only other n/s option out of YYZ over in T3
I have purchased flex tickets in past as they were a need, sometimes I have purchased tango. They have essentially taken the benefit of flying AC out of this route for business travelers. I understand they are doing this to take on West Jet, but if you completely alienate business travelers which AC supposedly focus' on long term are business travelers going to stick with the airline.
Does anyone know if Altitude benefits such as Checked bags, priority boarding, lounge access (I assume this is a given) will be there for Rouge flights?
Jun 26, 2013, 8:38 am
#765
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE MM, Bonvoy Plat, Hilton G,Nexus, Amex MR Plat,IHG Plat
Posts: 4,423
Its not the biz seat that is the concern, its the aeroplan/altitude benefit.
I have purchased flex tickets in past as they were a need, sometimes I have purchased tango. They have essentially taken the benefit of flying AC out of this route for business travelers. I understand they are doing this to take on West Jet, but if you completely alienate business travelers which AC supposedly focus' on long term are business travelers going to stick with the airline.
Does anyone know if Altitude benefits such as Checked bags, priority boarding, lounge access (I assume this is a given) will be there for Rouge flights?
I have purchased flex tickets in past as they were a need, sometimes I have purchased tango. They have essentially taken the benefit of flying AC out of this route for business travelers. I understand they are doing this to take on West Jet, but if you completely alienate business travelers which AC supposedly focus' on long term are business travelers going to stick with the airline.
Does anyone know if Altitude benefits such as Checked bags, priority boarding, lounge access (I assume this is a given) will be there for Rouge flights?