Announcing Air Canada Altitude

Old Sep 20, 12, 5:23 pm
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Originally Posted by rehoult View Post
Amusingly, the longest trip in their system (EZE-SYD) will also still be 17 as EZE-SYD is only 7326 even though the miles flown is 15,883. Same goes for TLV-SYD, in fact pretty much every journey except deep SA to Asia will come in under 11,000 based on GC distances.
Very true, When I saw the 11k line I immediately thought of the S America to Asia routes as the only applicable routing.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by VoodooYYC View Post
I thought this as well when I read the website, but if you read ACTT's OP, it states that 35 and 50k Elites will have the same access to bulkheads as they do today.

The real change will be SE now having to fight with 75k E for exit row seats.

Overall, the program is pretty much as I expected. I will be a 50K elite next year, but for the following year, as a 90% domestic flyer I don't see enough value in the 50k tier to warrant a mileage run if it looks like I might be a bit short of the 50k level.
+1. Same for me. At the same time I'm tired of business travel and my little kids really miss me so less travel and subsequent less benefitd isn't such a bad thing.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by rehoult View Post
Amusingly, the longest trip in their system (EZE-SYD) will also still be 17 as EZE-SYD is only 7326 even though the miles flown is 15,883. Same goes for TLV-SYD, in fact pretty much every journey except deep SA to Asia will come in under 11,000 based on GC distances.
Indeed. The only city pairs in the AC network where the distance between the two cities is greater than 11000 miles are EZE/SCL/GRU-some Asian destinations. All routes to SYD are under 11000miles with YYT-SYD being the longest at 10850miles.

As there are no good fares between South America and Im perfectly fine with this enhancement.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Jasper2009 View Post
Indeed. The only city pairs in the AC network where the distance between the two cities is greater than 11000 miles are EZE/SCL/GRU-some Asian destinations. All routes to SYD are under 11000miles with YYT-SYD being the longest at 10850miles.
Don't think in terms of today but also for tomorrow. There are many other 787 capable routings that could/will come into play with the 11k mile threshold.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by rehoult View Post
Amusingly, the longest trip in their system (EZE-SYD) will also still be 17 as EZE-SYD is only 7326 even though the miles flown is 15,883. Same goes for TLV-SYD, in fact pretty much every journey except deep SA to Asia will come in under 11,000 based on GC distances.
AC is not the only one. United also requires 1 Instrument from Europe-SYD-Europe, EZE-SYD , Even Asia-Europe .

OW Airlines offer the same. 1 upgrade instruments.
AC is just offering what it competitors do.

In 2013 with 11K requiring aditional eUpgrade credits, on Asia-Europe route AC will not be competitive.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:37 pm
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YVR-YEG is 509 miles on gcmap and using circle geometry I got 513 miles.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:37 pm
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Well, my 2 worth:

I'll be 50K E for next year.

Already, with the change to the T+ fares, I am flying UA more. Full miles, cheaper price, have my Nexus card so USA is less hassle.

Had e-credits expire last year and will have more this year go.

I lose preferred seating next year.

I have been weighing moving to UA plan next year. I think it might make sense for me to do this. I usually fly to Asia. I won't pay the T+ fares. So maybe UA makes sense for me.

<sigh>
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:38 pm
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Cool

Originally Posted by YUL_Around_The_World View Post
Altitude is a very good name!!
Sounds more like "Attitude."

I wonder just how much thought the geniuses in marketing put into this name.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by YEG Guy View Post
Don't think in terms of today but also for tomorrow. There are many other 787 capable routings that could/will come into play with the 11k mile threshold.
Fortunately the number of city pairs with a distance >11000miles on which AC sells through fares and are reasonably popular is quite limited.

From the top of my head I can only think of Europe-AKL and the South America-Asia routes. North America - JNB is under 11000miles from every AC destination afaik.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Jasper2009 View Post
Fortunately the number of city pairs with a distance >11000miles on which AC sells through fares and are reasonably popular is quite limited.

From the top of my head I can only think of Europe-AKL and the South America-Asia routes. North America - JNB is under 11000miles from every AC destination afaik.
MPM is 12412 though from YVR however all routings are published.
On AA it makes a difference.
(Not that I would use my AA miles to fly there because it's almost impossible to do so without paying some YQ.)
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by global_happy_traveller View Post
u sure its not one of those that does SFO-YYZ-YHZ-YUL-YOW-YYZ-YYC-YVR-YYZ-ORD-YYZ then NRT? Or those i guess going and coming home within 24 hours and being counted as 1 continuous journey as opposed to two single journeys?
That does not work. Return turn around does not count as one continuos journey.
I tried it to NRT. Booked a fare with no minimum stay requirement,thus legal retouing.
YYZ-NRT-YVR-YYZ (3 hours between arrival in NRT & departure from NRT.
I had a 2 hour Airport meeting in UA RCC.Did not even clear Japanese customs or Immigration.
On landing in NRT, just took the connection lane, went through connection security & to UA RCC.
Had to cough up 2 sets of upgrades
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:47 pm
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Originally Posted by bizorbetter View Post
She keeps priority check in if flying AC (as you state)
And with UA. UA offers Premier Access to *Silver, as well as priority boarding and 1 free piece of checked baggage., IIRC.

For the NA flyer like me, the 35k tier works great as I fly solely domestic and transborder, AC and UA only. UA is decent to *Silvers.

For US lounge access I already have Priority Pass with my Amex Plat, which gets me and a guest in free in virtually any major US airport.

Looks like 35k will work great, I'm nearly there.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:53 pm
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[QUOTE=PointWeasel;19352868]Wow, simply wow.

My head is spinning from all of the fine print with each tier and I may need a spreadsheet to keep track of everything. My first thought that comes to mind is how the heck are the agents going to keep everything straight? The potential for problems in that area have just increased greatly, IMHO.
QUOTE]

How are the agents going to keep it straight? How am I going to keep it straight? My head hurts - way to complicated. It is only a FF program for heaven's sake.
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Old Sep 20, 12, 5:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Shareholder View Post
It appears you've already insulated yourself by moving your STARGold status over to A3, most likely because of the anticipated AC changes (or the 10K/5 segment AC metal requirement), or as a refugee from BD. So why care about what's going on here? The gravy train is over for the vultures who used AC Elite as cheap STARGold. They've all flown over to Greece.
Time will tell if that was a wise decision. Seems to me that SE/1K/EXP/Diamond folks are the most loyal and treated well by whatever airline gets their business. To get one of them to switch requires drastic action or incentives (like AA's status match of 1Ks), so throwing more resources at them only results in diminishing margins...

In my estimation it is the 35k-75k crowd that exercise the most discretion and are MORE likely to change their carrier based on the status benefits, and that is who AC just turned their back on.

As a 40k-ish flyer, my strategy now will be to put 25k on Delta for Silver Medallion (free exit row, free bag, good chance at UDU on ex-Canada flights) and 20k on A3 for *G (but will no longer need to fly the AC metal minimums).

Even above 50k, the strategy stands, given the fact that Delta lets you rollover excess miles. Heck, at 75k, I'd probably go with UA Gold and Delta Silver, since those 50k redeemable MP miles are worth about the same as 75k Aeroplan what with the YQ...


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Old Sep 20, 12, 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by CT1 View Post
And with UA. UA offers Premier Access to *Silver, as well as priority boarding and 1 free piece of checked baggage., IIRC.

For the NA flyer like me, the 35k tier works great as I fly solely domestic and transborder, AC and UA only. UA is decent to *Silvers.

For US lounge access I already have Priority Pass with my Amex Plat, which gets me and a guest in free in virtually any major US airport.

Looks like 35k will work great, I'm nearly there.
But will you have enough eupgrades for your AC travel next year?
plus you lose priority bag tags (like it ever works anyhow)
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