Announcing Air Canada Altitude
Sep 20, 2012, 3:34 pm
#91
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This is a transition and just as UA kept the 75K Plat so as not to offend CO top tier elites, AC needs to keep 35K for a while longer. But also needed to create an intermediate tier between 50K and 100K to address complaints that those in this top range, but who don't make SE, get separated and higher priority than the mass of Elites.
Sep 20, 2012, 3:34 pm
#92
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BTW, LHR-SYD is 10,573 Miles. Thus still 17 eUpgrade Credits for 2013 Benefits. So no change there.
It is not the routing. It is published miles between City Pairs that dictates eUpgrade Credit required.
Of course if AC moves to Routing based than LHR-SYD will be 13K.
Why is it every change AC makes you blame Andrew?
You have to get over AC offered the job to Andrew instead of you
HI am liking the way, AC continues to enhance SE benefits( This is not tongue in cheek , I actually mean it). They did it in 2011, 2012 now 2013.
AC is couple of steps away from giving UA 1K run for their money .
No fees for AE award cancellation, Free 24 hour change & free same day standby foe SE will put AC 's SE benefits as UA1K.
I will not be surprise the above will happen sooner than later.
Last edited by yyzprincess; Sep 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Sep 20, 2012, 3:37 pm
#93
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An absolute joke from Air Canada. A total insult to their 50K and under flyers, which I imagine consist mostly of genuine business travellers, not bottom feeder FT mileage runner types whom push to 100K anyway.
If you ever needed a clearer sign to leave Aeroplan, this is it.
#AirCanada #losers #bankrupt
If you ever needed a clearer sign to leave Aeroplan, this is it.
#AirCanada #losers #bankrupt
Sep 20, 2012, 3:40 pm
#94
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MG: I know this doesn't apply to you, but many SEs _only_ fly 100k a year. So giving up 100% tier bonus is only giving up 100k miles. I don't think that's a lot to trade for gifting E50 status. Or, as has been pointed out above, you can trade 50 7-day e-credits and recover 40 5-days from your newly-birthed E50 member. If R=0 in advance, it's not so bad really as it's the flying member's status at the gate that determines upgrade priority isn't it?
Sep 20, 2012, 3:49 pm
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MG: I know this doesn't apply to you, but many SEs _only_ fly 100k a year. So giving up 100% tier bonus is only giving up 100k miles. I don't think that's a lot to trade for gifting E50 status. Or, as has been pointed out above, you can trade 50 7-day e-credits and recover 40 5-days from your newly-birthed E50 member. If R=0 in advance, it's not so bad really as it's the flying member's status at the gate that determines upgrade priority isn't it?
My nominee gets 1K. And as long as I am 1K my nominee has 1K status.
Sep 20, 2012, 3:54 pm
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LHR-SYD is 10573 miles.
AC like UA upgrade is based on Milelage between city pairs not routing based.
Sep 20, 2012, 3:59 pm
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Interesting, my wife is a 35K flier this year for the first time on Oct 8. North America only, non-stop on AC only. From my first and second inspections, the changes that impact her:
For her, the bigger changes, Loss of *A Gold (especially priority airport check-in) & access to *A Lounges isn't important, where I could see that impacting a lot of people. Who knows, maybe her eUpgrades will be easier if more people bail, but most people will only be bailing for 2014, so short term it's no benefit.
Definitely prefer the old version for her, but all told, it's not as bad as I could have feared... Losing the priority check-in and 3 bags on AC would have hit her much harder! Add this with Nexus, and she's buying a few extra minutes of sleep in the morning...
- No priority baggage
- Loss of 5 eUpgrade credits through bundle tiers (25+10 vs 10+20)
- Loss of token "free" miles through bundles
- Loss of 15% of bonus (50% -> 35%), ~6K miles
For her, the bigger changes, Loss of *A Gold (especially priority airport check-in) & access to *A Lounges isn't important, where I could see that impacting a lot of people. Who knows, maybe her eUpgrades will be easier if more people bail, but most people will only be bailing for 2014, so short term it's no benefit.
Definitely prefer the old version for her, but all told, it's not as bad as I could have feared... Losing the priority check-in and 3 bags on AC would have hit her much harder! Add this with Nexus, and she's buying a few extra minutes of sleep in the morning...
Sep 20, 2012, 4:05 pm
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I meant an SE could try to use E-upgrades from a nominee in the case where R space was available (and save their own which can be used earlier and more importantly where SE status would increase the chance of it clearing).
Sep 20, 2012, 4:06 pm
#101
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u sure its not one of those that does SFO-YYZ-YHZ-YUL-YOW-YYZ-YYC-YVR-YYZ-ORD-YYZ then NRT? Or those i guess going and coming home within 24 hours and being counted as 1 continuous journey as opposed to two single journeys?
Sep 20, 2012, 4:06 pm
#102
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It appears you've already insulated yourself by moving your STARGold status over to A3, most likely because of the anticipated AC changes (or the 10K/5 segment AC metal requirement), or as a refugee from BD. So why care about what's going on here? The gravy train is over for the vultures who used AC Elite as cheap STARGold. They've all flown over to Greece.
Lounge, Priority lines both airline and airport, almost everything is attainable by other methods (CC's Nexus etc)
The one thing that was worthwhile was Ecerts.......if AC would reward loyal AC metal flyers with more ecerts they would have kept me.....but quite frankly it is just about the same price to fly in NA on a US carrier and either buy the J class seat or get a guaranteed upgrade than it is to stay loyal to AC
Sep 20, 2012, 4:08 pm
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Amusingly, the longest trip in their system (EZE-SYD) will also still be 17 as EZE-SYD is only 7326 even though the miles flown is 15,883. Same goes for TLV-SYD, in fact pretty much every journey except deep SA to Asia will come in under 11,000 based on GC distances.
Sep 20, 2012, 4:10 pm
#105
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Interesting, my wife is a 35K flier this year for the first time on Oct 8. North America only, non-stop on AC only. From my first and second inspections, the changes that impact her:
For her, the bigger changes, Loss of *A Gold (especially priority airport check-in) & access to *A Lounges isn't important, where I could see that impacting a lot of people. Who knows, maybe her eUpgrades will be easier if more people bail, but most people will only be bailing for 2014, so short term it's no benefit.
Definitely prefer the old version for her, but all told, it's not as bad as I could have feared... Losing the priority check-in and 3 bags on AC would have hit her much harder! Add this with Nexus, and she's buying a few extra minutes of sleep in the morning...
- No priority baggage
- Loss of 5 eUpgrade credits through bundle tiers (25+10 vs 10+20)
- Loss of token "free" miles through bundles
- Loss of 15% of bonus (50% -> 35%), ~6K miles
For her, the bigger changes, Loss of *A Gold (especially priority airport check-in) & access to *A Lounges isn't important, where I could see that impacting a lot of people. Who knows, maybe her eUpgrades will be easier if more people bail, but most people will only be bailing for 2014, so short term it's no benefit.
Definitely prefer the old version for her, but all told, it's not as bad as I could have feared... Losing the priority check-in and 3 bags on AC would have hit her much harder! Add this with Nexus, and she's buying a few extra minutes of sleep in the morning...