FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Air Canada | Aeroplan (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan-375/)
-   -   AC On Time Performance (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/1380718-ac-time-performance.html)

fly_yag Aug 28, 2012 6:36 pm

Also curious to note that AC has removed the OTP page (http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/otp/index.html) from their website since my original post - coincidence?

mountainboy Aug 28, 2012 7:28 pm


Originally Posted by fly_yag (Post 19212511)
Also curious to note that AC has removed the OTP page (http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/otp/index.html) from their website since my original post - coincidence?

Proud of a moment that is true -> accidentally honest after it is no longer truth -> scared of the truth.

It's a modern automated web update story.

Stranger Aug 28, 2012 7:33 pm


Originally Posted by fly_yag (Post 19188015)

For example the most common route I fly is AC10 between YYC and YYZ. From looking at Flightaware it appears that flight has almost never arrived on time.

I am inclined to agree that AC on time performance has badly deteriorated.

This said, AC10 is not a typical example. That flight comes from tokyo and continues to YYZ. Not a very good choice for YYC-YYZ. If anything goes wrong coming from NRT, it will obviously get delayed. Or replaced by a smaller plane and upgrades will get lost.

yulred Aug 28, 2012 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by fly_yag (Post 19212511)
Also curious to note that AC has removed the OTP page (http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/otp/index.html) from their website since my original post - coincidence?

That is hilarious. :D

I guess they realized they weren't doing themselves any favors.

Incidentally, WS is still providing theirs at:

http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/busi...formance.shtml

But I should note that the website explicitly states that "Canadian carriers are not required to report on-time performance statistics."

Ah Canada, where the flying public (aka taxpayers) don't matter. Why is Transport Canada not collecting the statistics?

shore9 Aug 28, 2012 7:46 pm

I also wonder if AC has been decreasing scheduled flight times? It used to be that on a transcontinental flight that a delay of 15 minutes or so could still result in an on time arrival. This no longer seems to be the case on my last few flights, where the usual 15 - 30 minute delay in push back meant a similar delay on arrival.

mountainboy Aug 28, 2012 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by Jrsx (Post 19212146)
The on-time performance of AC is bad and getting worse. My next AC flight will be YYZ to YVR on Saturday, so I looked up the performance of AC's flights over the last two days. Yesterday 1 of 19 flights arrived on-time with 5 being more than 30 minutes late. So far today 0 of 15 flights are on-time with 11 being at least 30 minutes late. I don't think AC cares about this at all.

They care. Enough to delete a web page. Deep caring.

m.y Aug 28, 2012 7:54 pm

Here's a cached version for those who missed it.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

On time performance of 55%, 12% worse than the next worst airline. No wonder they took it off!

FlyerTalker683455 Aug 28, 2012 7:54 pm


Originally Posted by mountainboy (Post 19212931)
They care. Enough to delete a web page. Deep caring.

You can get it here: http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight....do?airline=AC

mountainboy Aug 28, 2012 7:57 pm


Originally Posted by Allvest (Post 19212949)

I think the flightstats status here is ... starts will a 'b' and ends in 'it'

The previous poster has a cached version from AC. Looks much worse, straight from the horse's mouth.

upgradesecret Aug 28, 2012 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by yulred (Post 19212882)
Incidentally, WS is still providing theirs at:

http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/busi...formance.shtml

Until very recently that page was a year out of date.
I guess that Westjet couldn't give a damn either.

CloudsBelow Aug 28, 2012 9:11 pm


Originally Posted by m.y (Post 19212944)
Here's a cached version for those who missed it.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

On time performance of 55%, 12% worse than the next worst airline. No wonder they took it off!

One of the strangest pages I have ever seen!? Those stats are on AC's page!??? You'd swear it was westjet's page.
AC's poor performance is so prominent on their own page.

CloudsBelow Aug 28, 2012 9:16 pm


Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD (Post 19212142)
Many of the posters have already outlined many of the reasons. Tight scheduling, wicked weather patterns, maximum aircraft utilization, some maintenance issues to name a few.

To be fair, none of these issues are unique to AC.

Further, AC has the luxury of hubbing at far less congested airports than the airlines who lap their OTP.

I know all US employees receive monthly bonus when the airline is Top3 (I believe) OTP ...... Perhaps AC should consider

kellyl Aug 29, 2012 11:59 pm

As previously discussed here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...y-captain.html. Air Canada would do itself a big favour to defuse extreme dissatisfaction by telling their customers the truth. Last Friday, YYZ to YYC, we were delayed, due to;

1. plane arriving late from origin, then
2. finally board, but now needing to replace a computer, (stand-by's were still boarding)...
3. boarded, then plane was grounded, moved to a new gate, then
4. there was NO WAY our flight was leaving at the new scheduled time - revised gate agent didn't even show up until AFTER the departure time! Had a good laugh as the gate next to us, also leaving for YYC at the same time, delayed due to shortage of flight attendant.

Yes, I'd rather be safe than on-time, but c'mon AC - I'd trade in "free drinks" any time for some straight talk.

ceaton Aug 30, 2012 12:51 am

I've also noticed this summer. For me, most delays seem to be missing crew (because they were on other plans that were late for either mx or, recursively, missing crew), especially in YYZ. It is worse this year for certain.

Generally, within an hour I don't care so long as I make my connection.

What annoys me is the lack of communication (and the occasional downright lie) from gate agents though.

wirez666 Aug 30, 2012 4:33 am


Originally Posted by ceaton (Post 19220930)
I've also noticed this summer. For me, most delays seem to be missing crew (because they were on other plans that were late for either mx or, recursively, missing crew), especially in YYZ. It is worse this year for certain.

Generally, within an hour I don't care so long as I make my connection.

What annoys me is the lack of communication (and the occasional downright lie) from gate agents though.

I have to agree with most of you that on-time performance at AC has gone down the drain. Yes there are the typical factors that cause delays which affect any airline, mechanicals, weather..etc, but I have NEVER seen it as bad as it has been this year!

AC is also dealing with a significant shortage of flight attendants at this time; many have resigned this year and the company has not bothered to replace them. Their crew scheduling department frantically scrambles to take FAs off some flights to crew others, as well as calling FAs in on their day off. Problem is, many FAs are maxed out already.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 2:17 am.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.