International Flights from Edmonton
Oct 13, 2014, 2:17 pm
#31
Formerly known as tireman77
Join Date: Dec 2013
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Plus (as much as I love the 757) a wide body aircraft.
Oct 13, 2014, 3:26 pm
#32
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: AC E50K (*G), Westjet Gold
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I think FI will really hurt- KLM will be the new "fad" in Edmonton, AC will take care of its loyalists, and FI will be stuck in the middle.
Does anyone know how FI is doing out of YEG though? I've seen some of their fares and they're really attractive, makes me think they're struggling a bit?
Does anyone know how FI is doing out of YEG though? I've seen some of their fares and they're really attractive, makes me think they're struggling a bit?
Oct 13, 2014, 3:32 pm
#33
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 627
I think FI will really hurt- KLM will be the new "fad" in Edmonton, AC will take care of its loyalists, and FI will be stuck in the middle.
Does anyone know how FI is doing out of YEG though? I've seen some of their fares and they're really attractive, makes me think they're struggling a bit?
Does anyone know how FI is doing out of YEG though? I've seen some of their fares and they're really attractive, makes me think they're struggling a bit?
I think the low fares will give FI the advantage next summer.
Oct 13, 2014, 9:21 pm
#37
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: YYC
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Oct 14, 2014, 7:42 am
#38
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
It’s great any time an international carrier initiates/expands service to a Canadian city, but all market viability “assumptions” are suspicious when we don’t know the extent of incentives given to FI (and very likely KLM and AC) - the elephant in the room none of the EDM chest-beaters want to acknowledge. EDM passengers would get more bang for their buck paying KL, FI, AC directly for TATL service with higher fares and cut out the EIAA middle man.
YEG>EU O/D numbers are nothing to write home about. Does anyone know if KLM’s new service is seasonal only? Glad they can’t tip-toe into the market and have no choice but to bring in 245-seat aircraft.
Lots in the mix here – AC @ YEG+YYC, FI @ YEG, KL @ YEG and YYC. Even BA's YYC ops might feel this. Does TS still have TATL service into YYC?
YEG>EU O/D numbers are nothing to write home about. Does anyone know if KLM’s new service is seasonal only? Glad they can’t tip-toe into the market and have no choice but to bring in 245-seat aircraft.
Lots in the mix here – AC @ YEG+YYC, FI @ YEG, KL @ YEG and YYC. Even BA's YYC ops might feel this. Does TS still have TATL service into YYC?
Oct 14, 2014, 9:44 am
#39
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Need you ask?
Programs: AA DL LH BA KL AM
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FI offers attractive fares to all of it's destinations not just YEG, so that bares no reflection on "how it's doing". They also just announced they will beef Edmonton upto 6 weekly flights next summer.
Edmontons European market is the one sector that is among the fastest growing and numbers have spiked dramatically TATL over the spring/summer of 2014.
As for incentives you do realize that YYC, YVR and YYZ have all subsidized numerous new flights right? Pointing out that YEG does it like it's the only one is rather ignorant.
AC service to LHR bares no reflection on YEG's European service as it's been stated before it's likely dropped in winter so that YYC-LHR can continue to operate at optimal performance with the additional YEG filled seats that connect as the route also struggles in winter.
Edmontons European market is the one sector that is among the fastest growing and numbers have spiked dramatically TATL over the spring/summer of 2014.
As for incentives you do realize that YYC, YVR and YYZ have all subsidized numerous new flights right? Pointing out that YEG does it like it's the only one is rather ignorant.
AC service to LHR bares no reflection on YEG's European service as it's been stated before it's likely dropped in winter so that YYC-LHR can continue to operate at optimal performance with the additional YEG filled seats that connect as the route also struggles in winter.
Oct 14, 2014, 1:39 pm
#40
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: YEG - No Particular Loyalty Anymore
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Oct 14, 2014, 3:18 pm
#41
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: Star Alliance G*, Marriott Bonvoy Titanium,
Posts: 3,585
role of YEG AA
Evidently, KL took the splash after the success of Iceland's stopover flights.
I am curious what (if any) inducements they were offered by YEG? The airport authority has committed to big expansion plans, and I would be surprised if they were not active behind the scenes?
I am curious what (if any) inducements they were offered by YEG? The airport authority has committed to big expansion plans, and I would be surprised if they were not active behind the scenes?
Oct 14, 2014, 7:25 pm
#42
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: YEG
Programs: AC*E75
Posts: 885
As for incentives you do realize that YYC, YVR and YYZ have all subsidized numerous new flights right? Pointing out that YEG does it like it's the only one is rather ignorant.
AC service to LHR bares no reflection on YEG's European service as it's been stated before it's likely dropped in winter so that YYC-LHR can continue to operate at optimal performance with the additional YEG filled seats that connect as the route also struggles in winter.
AC service to LHR bares no reflection on YEG's European service as it's been stated before it's likely dropped in winter so that YYC-LHR can continue to operate at optimal performance with the additional YEG filled seats that connect as the route also struggles in winter.
AC is a company with shareholders acting in their best interest, and it makes economic sense for Alberta to have service maintained in 1 airport through the winter instead of seeing lost or reduced service at 2 airports.
Oct 14, 2014, 7:38 pm
#43
Formerly known as tireman77
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,514
Let's not forget, airlines may have pressure from other airports to not offer flights. It may not simply be a case of Airline 'A' deciding whether or not to service city 'E'. There may be city 'C' putting pressure on Airline 'A' to not offer more international flights from city 'E'.
Oct 14, 2014, 7:39 pm
#44
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 627
Did I say other airports don't provide incentives? No. Also I am not ignorant in terms of this as I have been involved in the industry for many years. What is different, and YEG is not overly transparent, is the subsidizing of routes in direct competition of existing routes. Other airports tend not to do this as makes the existing carriers somewhat upset.
AC is a company with shareholders acting in their best interest, and it makes economic sense for Alberta to have service maintained in 1 airport through the winter instead of seeing lost or reduced service at 2 airports.
AC is a company with shareholders acting in their best interest, and it makes economic sense for Alberta to have service maintained in 1 airport through the winter instead of seeing lost or reduced service at 2 airports.
Anyways, YYC subsidized BA, on a route that already existed.
Oct 14, 2014, 8:17 pm
#45
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: YEG - No Particular Loyalty Anymore
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Economic sense to who? Not to the greater business community of Edmonton. Why don't you phone up Brad Ferguson at EEDC and share your vision with him.