Calculating Award Flight Fuel Surcharges
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 50
Calculating Award Flight Fuel Surcharges
Hi all,
I'm currently looking to book to flights, either Economy or Business for this upcoming December. My issue is, I currently have the points in Amex MR and don't want to transfer them to Aeroplan until I can figure out what the surcharges are.
I was wondering if anyone could give me some suggestions on figuring out the surcharges. I tried calling up Aeroplan...but they weren't much help, to say the least.
I guess what I'm asking is, does anyone have 125K points sitting around in their aeroplan account that could check and see how much the surcharges would cost? As that's the only way I currently know how to find out what the charges are.
I could PM or post the itineraries I'm interested in if anyone can help. Thanks!
I'm currently looking to book to flights, either Economy or Business for this upcoming December. My issue is, I currently have the points in Amex MR and don't want to transfer them to Aeroplan until I can figure out what the surcharges are.
I was wondering if anyone could give me some suggestions on figuring out the surcharges. I tried calling up Aeroplan...but they weren't much help, to say the least.
I guess what I'm asking is, does anyone have 125K points sitting around in their aeroplan account that could check and see how much the surcharges would cost? As that's the only way I currently know how to find out what the charges are.
I could PM or post the itineraries I'm interested in if anyone can help. Thanks!
#3
Original Poster
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 50
Option 1:
Option 2:
FLIGHT 1
RALEIGH / DURHAM (RDU)
to NEW YORK NEWARK (EWR)
Dep. 12:32
Arr. 14:21
stop(s) 0
Mon. Dec 17, 2012
same day
Duration: 1h 49 minAircraft: DH4
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA4907Operated by COLGAN AIR DBA UNITED EXPRESS Economy
Change plane in New York Newark
Time To Connect: 2h 29 min.
NEW YORK NEWARK (EWR)
to FRANKFURT (FRA)
Dep. 16:50
Arr. 06:55
stop(s) 0
Mon. Dec 17, 2012
Tue. Dec 18, 2012
Duration: 8h 05 minAircraft: 752
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA118 Economy
Change plane in Frankfurt
Time To Connect: 7h 15 min.
FRANKFURT (FRA)
to BANGKOK (BKK)
Dep. 14:10
Arr. 06:20
stop(s) 0
Tue. Dec 18, 2012
Wed. Dec 19, 2012
Duration: 10h 10 minAircraft: 744
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG921 Economy
Change plane in Bangkok
Time To Connect: 1h 30 min.
BANGKOK (BKK)
to HANOI (HAN)
Dep. 07:50
Arr. 09:35
stop(s) 0
Wed. Dec 19, 2012
same day
Duration: 1h 45 minAircraft: 772
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG560 Economy
Total travel time: 33h 03min
FLIGHT 2
HANOI (HAN)
to BANGKOK (BKK)
Dep. 20:25
Arr. 22:15
stop(s) 0
Wed. Jan 2, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 50 minAircraft: 333
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG565 Economy
Change plane in Bangkok
Time To Connect: 2h 05 min.
BANGKOK (BKK)
to ZURICH (ZRH)
Dep. 00:20
Arr. 06:50
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 12h 30 minAircraft: 346
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG970 Economy
Change plane in Zurich
Time To Connect: 2h 55 min.
ZURICH (ZRH)
to ATHENS (ATH)
Dep. 09:45
Arr. 13:20
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 2h 35 minAircraft: 321
Meal: Complimentary meal
LX1830 Economy
Total travel time: 21h 55min
FLIGHT 3
ATHENS (ATH)
to ISTANBUL (IST)
Dep. 07:45
Arr. 09:00
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 15 minAircraft: 320
Meal: Complimentary meal
TK1848 Economy
Change plane in Istanbul
Time To Connect: 4h 55 min.
ISTANBUL (IST)
to NEW YORK NEWARK (EWR)
Dep. 13:55
Arr. 18:26
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 11h 31 minAircraft: 763
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA905 Economy
Change plane in New York Newark
Time To Connect: 2h 29 min.
NEW YORK NEWARK (EWR)
to RALEIGH / DURHAM (RDU)
Dep. 20:55
Arr. 22:49
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 54 minAircraft: 738
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA1570 Economy
Total travel time: 22h 04min
RALEIGH / DURHAM (RDU)
to NEW YORK NEWARK (EWR)
Dep. 12:32
Arr. 14:21
stop(s) 0
Mon. Dec 17, 2012
same day
Duration: 1h 49 minAircraft: DH4
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA4907Operated by COLGAN AIR DBA UNITED EXPRESS Economy
Change plane in New York Newark
Time To Connect: 2h 29 min.
NEW YORK NEWARK (EWR)
to FRANKFURT (FRA)
Dep. 16:50
Arr. 06:55
stop(s) 0
Mon. Dec 17, 2012
Tue. Dec 18, 2012
Duration: 8h 05 minAircraft: 752
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA118 Economy
Change plane in Frankfurt
Time To Connect: 7h 15 min.
FRANKFURT (FRA)
to BANGKOK (BKK)
Dep. 14:10
Arr. 06:20
stop(s) 0
Tue. Dec 18, 2012
Wed. Dec 19, 2012
Duration: 10h 10 minAircraft: 744
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG921 Economy
Change plane in Bangkok
Time To Connect: 1h 30 min.
BANGKOK (BKK)
to HANOI (HAN)
Dep. 07:50
Arr. 09:35
stop(s) 0
Wed. Dec 19, 2012
same day
Duration: 1h 45 minAircraft: 772
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG560 Economy
Total travel time: 33h 03min
FLIGHT 2
HANOI (HAN)
to BANGKOK (BKK)
Dep. 20:25
Arr. 22:15
stop(s) 0
Wed. Jan 2, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 50 minAircraft: 333
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG565 Economy
Change plane in Bangkok
Time To Connect: 2h 05 min.
BANGKOK (BKK)
to ZURICH (ZRH)
Dep. 00:20
Arr. 06:50
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 12h 30 minAircraft: 346
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG970 Economy
Change plane in Zurich
Time To Connect: 2h 55 min.
ZURICH (ZRH)
to ATHENS (ATH)
Dep. 09:45
Arr. 13:20
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 2h 35 minAircraft: 321
Meal: Complimentary meal
LX1830 Economy
Total travel time: 21h 55min
FLIGHT 3
ATHENS (ATH)
to ISTANBUL (IST)
Dep. 07:45
Arr. 09:00
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 15 minAircraft: 320
Meal: Complimentary meal
TK1848 Economy
Change plane in Istanbul
Time To Connect: 4h 55 min.
ISTANBUL (IST)
to NEW YORK NEWARK (EWR)
Dep. 13:55
Arr. 18:26
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 11h 31 minAircraft: 763
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA905 Economy
Change plane in New York Newark
Time To Connect: 2h 29 min.
NEW YORK NEWARK (EWR)
to RALEIGH / DURHAM (RDU)
Dep. 20:55
Arr. 22:49
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 54 minAircraft: 738
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA1570 Economy
Total travel time: 22h 04min
FLIGHT 1
RALEIGH / DURHAM (RDU)
to CHICAGO O HARE (ORD)
Dep. 10:00
Arr. 11:11
stop(s) 0
Mon. Dec 17, 2012
same day
Duration: 2h 11 minAircraft: E70
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA3466Operated by SHUTTLE AMERICA DBA UNITED EXPRESS Economy
Change plane in Chicago O Hare
Time To Connect: 1h 09 min.
CHICAGO O HARE (ORD)
to BANGKOK (BKK)
Dep. 12:20
Arr. 23:40
stop(s) 1
Mon. Dec 17, 2012
Tue. Dec 18, 2012
Duration: 22h 20 minAircraft: 744
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA881 Business
Change plane in Bangkok
Time To Connect: 8h 10 min.
BANGKOK (BKK)
to HANOI (HAN)
Dep. 07:50
Arr. 09:35
stop(s) 0
Wed. Dec 19, 2012
same day
Duration: 1h 45 minAircraft: 772
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG560 Business
Total travel time: 35h 35min
FLIGHT 2
HANOI (HAN)
to BANGKOK (BKK)
Dep. 20:25
Arr. 22:15
stop(s) 0
Wed. Jan 2, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 50 minAircraft: 333
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG565 Business
Change plane in Bangkok
Time To Connect: 2h 20 min.
BANGKOK (BKK)
to MILAN MALPENSA (MXP)
Dep. 00:35
Arr. 07:10
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 12h 35 minAircraft: 346
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG940 Business
Change plane in Milan Malpensa
Time To Connect: 2h 45 min.
MILAN MALPENSA (MXP)
to ZURICH (ZRH)
Dep. 09:55
Arr. 10:55
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 00 minAircraft: AR1
Meal: Complimentary meal
LX1613Operated by SWISS EUROPEAN AIR LINES Business
Change plane in Zurich
Time To Connect: 2h 00 min.
ZURICH (ZRH)
to ATHENS (ATH)
Dep. 12:55
Arr. 16:35
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 2h 40 minAircraft: 320
Meal: Complimentary meal
LX1838 Business
Total travel time: 25h 10min
FLIGHT 3
ATHENS (ATH)
to MUNICH (MUC)
Dep. 06:35
Arr. 08:15
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 2h 40 minAircraft: 320
Meal: Complimentary meal
LH1755 Business
Change plane in Munich
Time To Connect: 3h 25 min.
MUNICH (MUC)
to WASHINGTON DULLES (IAD)
Dep. 11:40
Arr. 15:06
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 9h 26 minAircraft: 777
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA903 Business
Change plane in Washington Dulles
Time To Connect: 6h 44 min.
WASHINGTON DULLES (IAD)
to RALEIGH / DURHAM (RDU)
Dep. 21:50
Arr. 22:55
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 05 minAircraft: 319
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA933 Economy
Total travel time: 23h 20min
RALEIGH / DURHAM (RDU)
to CHICAGO O HARE (ORD)
Dep. 10:00
Arr. 11:11
stop(s) 0
Mon. Dec 17, 2012
same day
Duration: 2h 11 minAircraft: E70
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA3466Operated by SHUTTLE AMERICA DBA UNITED EXPRESS Economy
Change plane in Chicago O Hare
Time To Connect: 1h 09 min.
CHICAGO O HARE (ORD)
to BANGKOK (BKK)
Dep. 12:20
Arr. 23:40
stop(s) 1
Mon. Dec 17, 2012
Tue. Dec 18, 2012
Duration: 22h 20 minAircraft: 744
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA881 Business
Change plane in Bangkok
Time To Connect: 8h 10 min.
BANGKOK (BKK)
to HANOI (HAN)
Dep. 07:50
Arr. 09:35
stop(s) 0
Wed. Dec 19, 2012
same day
Duration: 1h 45 minAircraft: 772
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG560 Business
Total travel time: 35h 35min
FLIGHT 2
HANOI (HAN)
to BANGKOK (BKK)
Dep. 20:25
Arr. 22:15
stop(s) 0
Wed. Jan 2, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 50 minAircraft: 333
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG565 Business
Change plane in Bangkok
Time To Connect: 2h 20 min.
BANGKOK (BKK)
to MILAN MALPENSA (MXP)
Dep. 00:35
Arr. 07:10
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 12h 35 minAircraft: 346
Meal: Complimentary meal
TG940 Business
Change plane in Milan Malpensa
Time To Connect: 2h 45 min.
MILAN MALPENSA (MXP)
to ZURICH (ZRH)
Dep. 09:55
Arr. 10:55
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 00 minAircraft: AR1
Meal: Complimentary meal
LX1613Operated by SWISS EUROPEAN AIR LINES Business
Change plane in Zurich
Time To Connect: 2h 00 min.
ZURICH (ZRH)
to ATHENS (ATH)
Dep. 12:55
Arr. 16:35
stop(s) 0
Thu. Jan 3, 2013
same day
Duration: 2h 40 minAircraft: 320
Meal: Complimentary meal
LX1838 Business
Total travel time: 25h 10min
FLIGHT 3
ATHENS (ATH)
to MUNICH (MUC)
Dep. 06:35
Arr. 08:15
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 2h 40 minAircraft: 320
Meal: Complimentary meal
LH1755 Business
Change plane in Munich
Time To Connect: 3h 25 min.
MUNICH (MUC)
to WASHINGTON DULLES (IAD)
Dep. 11:40
Arr. 15:06
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 9h 26 minAircraft: 777
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA903 Business
Change plane in Washington Dulles
Time To Connect: 6h 44 min.
WASHINGTON DULLES (IAD)
to RALEIGH / DURHAM (RDU)
Dep. 21:50
Arr. 22:55
stop(s) 0
Sun. Jan 6, 2013
same day
Duration: 1h 05 minAircraft: 319
Meal: Complimentary meal
UA933 Economy
Total travel time: 23h 20min
#4
Original Poster
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 50
Just realized that was pretty complicated, here's an easier breakdown for anyone that can help:
Option 1(Economy):
Option 2 (Business Class):
Option 1(Economy):
RDU-HAN:
UA4907
UA118
TG921
TG560
HAN-ATH:
TG565
TG970
LX1830
ATH-RDU:
TK1848
UA905
UA1570
UA4907
UA118
TG921
TG560
HAN-ATH:
TG565
TG970
LX1830
ATH-RDU:
TK1848
UA905
UA1570
RDU-HAN:
UA3466
UA881
TG560
HAN-ATH:
TG565
TG940
LX1613
LX1838
ATH-RDU:
LH1755
UA903
UA933
UA3466
UA881
TG560
HAN-ATH:
TG565
TG940
LX1613
LX1838
ATH-RDU:
LH1755
UA903
UA933
#6
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: NYC
Programs: SPG, AA, BA, CO, UA, US, B6, DL, Amex MR, HH
Posts: 1,009
An easy way to get an estimate is to put the itinerary into ITA, and see what the taxes/YQ is there (making sure to remove the fares and YQ for airlines that don't charge). It's a rough estimate, but comes out pretty close to what they actually charge you. Your itinerary is fairly YQ-friendly as the only airline that you're flying that aeroplan charges YQ for is TG (and a short LH leg). UA, LX, TK all don't have YQ (for now).
Based on ITA, your first itinerary would be ~$680, and your second would be ~$520.
Based on ITA, your first itinerary would be ~$680, and your second would be ~$520.
#7
Original Poster
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 50
An easy way to get an estimate is to put the itinerary into ITA, and see what the taxes/YQ is there (making sure to remove the fares and YQ for airlines that don't charge). It's a rough estimate, but comes out pretty close to what they actually charge you. Your itinerary is fairly YQ-friendly as the only airline that you're flying that aeroplan charges YQ for is TG (and a short LH leg). UA, LX, TK all don't have YQ (for now).
Based on ITA, your first itinerary would be ~$680, and your second would be ~$520.
Based on ITA, your first itinerary would be ~$680, and your second would be ~$520.
#8
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Paris, France
Programs: Flying Blue Platinum
Posts: 198
#12
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Can MR miles/points be moved into US or UA/CO accounts? You could save about 80% of those charges booking in either of those programs rather than AE.
#13
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#14
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Join Date: Jan 2002
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Programs: UA*1K MM
Posts: 23,273
Use ITA to map out your route for fuel surcharge checking. Usually its right on, but Aeroplan can be more if they charge shorthaul AC YQ on your tickets.
#15
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: NYC
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Good to see ITA wasn't too far off - thanks highfly3r.