The R Games
Jan 29, 2019, 7:11 am
#1876
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Thinking about this more...if 'O' eUps into 'P' and 'P' is eligible for the Signature Suite then can access be granted? I'm thinking not because it wasn't originally booked into 'P', but wondering if anyone has tried .
*Air Canada Signature Class customers travelling on an Air Canada-operated flight (to Europe, Asia and South America) originally booked and ticketed in the following booking classes will be eligible for access to the Air Canada Signature Suite: J, C, D, Z, P. All bookings in R (including, but not limited to, eUpgrades, Last-Minute Upgrades, AC Bid Upgrades) and I (including, but not limited to, Aeroplan® Fixed Mileage Flight Rewards® for travel on Air Canada flights or Star Alliance® member airlines, Star Alliance Upgrade Awards), as well as bookings made during irregular operations where the customer was not originally booked and confirmed in one of the eligible booking classes, will be excluded. Eligible customers may not invite guests. Access to the Air Canada Signature Suite is not available to customers travelling on promotional tickets or employees.
*Air Canada Signature Class customers travelling on an Air Canada-operated flight (to Europe, Asia and South America) originally booked and ticketed in the following booking classes will be eligible for access to the Air Canada Signature Suite: J, C, D, Z, P. All bookings in R (including, but not limited to, eUpgrades, Last-Minute Upgrades, AC Bid Upgrades) and I (including, but not limited to, Aeroplan® Fixed Mileage Flight Rewards® for travel on Air Canada flights or Star Alliance® member airlines, Star Alliance Upgrade Awards), as well as bookings made during irregular operations where the customer was not originally booked and confirmed in one of the eligible booking classes, will be excluded. Eligible customers may not invite guests. Access to the Air Canada Signature Suite is not available to customers travelling on promotional tickets or employees.
I have been through YYZ on upgraded O fares to eligible destinations with no mention of access to SSL a handful of times, and I didn't ask because my original ticket purchase was not J,C,D,Z,P.
Jan 29, 2019, 7:16 am
#1877
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Thinking about this more...if 'O' eUps into 'P' and 'P' is eligible for the Signature Suite then can access be granted? I'm thinking not because it wasn't originally booked into 'P', but wondering if anyone has tried .
*Air Canada Signature Class customers travelling on an Air Canada-operated flight (to Europe, Asia and South America) originally booked and ticketed in the following booking classes will be eligible for access to the Air Canada Signature Suite: J, C, D, Z, P. All bookings in R (including, but not limited to, eUpgrades, Last-Minute Upgrades, AC Bid Upgrades) and I (including, but not limited to, Aeroplan® Fixed Mileage Flight Rewards® for travel on Air Canada flights or Star Alliance® member airlines, Star Alliance Upgrade Awards), as well as bookings made during irregular operations where the customer was not originally booked and confirmed in one of the eligible booking classes, will be excluded. Eligible customers may not invite guests. Access to the Air Canada Signature Suite is not available to customers travelling on promotional tickets or employees.
*Air Canada Signature Class customers travelling on an Air Canada-operated flight (to Europe, Asia and South America) originally booked and ticketed in the following booking classes will be eligible for access to the Air Canada Signature Suite: J, C, D, Z, P. All bookings in R (including, but not limited to, eUpgrades, Last-Minute Upgrades, AC Bid Upgrades) and I (including, but not limited to, Aeroplan® Fixed Mileage Flight Rewards® for travel on Air Canada flights or Star Alliance® member airlines, Star Alliance Upgrade Awards), as well as bookings made during irregular operations where the customer was not originally booked and confirmed in one of the eligible booking classes, will be excluded. Eligible customers may not invite guests. Access to the Air Canada Signature Suite is not available to customers travelling on promotional tickets or employees.
Jan 29, 2019, 9:27 am
#1878
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So what you're saying is that if I am on an 'O'-fare and it is showing P8 R0, I can still have my eUp clear? I have been told countless times that eUps pull from R-space, but if there is something definitive I can tell the agent to use the P-space, this would avoid a lot of headache.
@YVRtoYYZ
All eUpgrades come from R and hence become R once eUpgraded.
As alluded to by IluvSQ and others, additionally, International Latitude upgrades can be based on P but still come from R regardless of R (even if R=0). So if this happens, it is still "R" even if R was showing 0 when you eUpgraded.
Agents, who have advised you that Latitude eUpgrades must be based on R, are incorrect.
Last edited by yyznomad; Jan 29, 2019 at 12:44 pm Reason: Added "Latitude"
Jan 29, 2019, 12:42 pm
#1879
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Feb 23, 2019, 6:50 am
#1880
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I can't believe how many pax ask the FAs if they can sit up front.
They know what they're doing. They don't sound dumb. They're trying to get a free upgrade on board.
It happens on all the empty SFO-YVR flights (this one was booked 2/14 in J).
Why play the R games if you can just talk your way up?
And no, he was not permitted to self-upgrade.
They know what they're doing. They don't sound dumb. They're trying to get a free upgrade on board.
It happens on all the empty SFO-YVR flights (this one was booked 2/14 in J).
Why play the R games if you can just talk your way up?
And no, he was not permitted to self-upgrade.
Feb 23, 2019, 3:49 pm
#1881
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I can't believe how many pax ask the FAs if they can sit up front.
They know what they're doing. They don't sound dumb. They're trying to get a free upgrade on board.
It happens on all the empty SFO-YVR flights (this one was booked 2/14 in J).
Why play the R games if you can just talk your way up?
And no, he was not permitted to self-upgrade.
They know what they're doing. They don't sound dumb. They're trying to get a free upgrade on board.
It happens on all the empty SFO-YVR flights (this one was booked 2/14 in J).
Why play the R games if you can just talk your way up?
And no, he was not permitted to self-upgrade.
Westjet allows folks in economy to move to empty "Premium Economy" seats in the front once boarding has been completed for a fixed price. They have a set price. FA would tell the passengers the extra cost and FA can take payment - credit card only.
I was on a WS flight YVR to YYZ at Christmas and that's what I saw. There were 3 of them and they all pulled out credit cards to pay for the "upgrade".
Feb 25, 2019, 9:38 am
#1882
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These may be Westjet flyers first time on AC.
Westjet allows folks in economy to move to empty "Premium Economy" seats in the front once boarding has been completed for a fixed price. They have a set price. FA would tell the passengers the extra cost and FA can take payment - credit card only.
I was on a WS flight YVR to YYZ at Christmas and that's what I saw. There were 3 of them and they all pulled out credit cards to pay for the "upgrade".
Westjet allows folks in economy to move to empty "Premium Economy" seats in the front once boarding has been completed for a fixed price. They have a set price. FA would tell the passengers the extra cost and FA can take payment - credit card only.
I was on a WS flight YVR to YYZ at Christmas and that's what I saw. There were 3 of them and they all pulled out credit cards to pay for the "upgrade".
Feb 25, 2019, 11:48 am
#1883
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If you were able to purchase an upgrade after being on the plane, and willing to do so, then shouldn't you just pay at check-in or in advance? I don't understand waiting to see if there is room and then suddenly deciding you are willing to pay for the upgrade. Unless of course you are extremely susceptible to FOMO
Having recently been rebooked onto a flight I didn't originally request, and losing my extra leg room seat but not really comprehending it until I sat down and found my legs barely fit, I'd have pulled out my credit card it it would have made a difference. Especially as there were spare seats.
Feb 25, 2019, 11:52 am
#1885
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One might change their mind about spending x hours in an AC (Rouge or other) Y seat after seeing it or sitting down.
Having recently been rebooked onto a flight I didn't originally request, and losing my extra leg room seat but not really comprehending it until I sat down and found my legs barely fit, I'd have pulled out my credit card it it would have made a difference. Especially as there were spare seats.
Having recently been rebooked onto a flight I didn't originally request, and losing my extra leg room seat but not really comprehending it until I sat down and found my legs barely fit, I'd have pulled out my credit card it it would have made a difference. Especially as there were spare seats.
Feb 25, 2019, 11:55 am
#1886
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These people I see doing it are asking the SD before they see their seat, and they typically have some level of Altitude tags, so they know exactly what they're doing.
Feb 25, 2019, 11:58 am
#1887
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More, less, whatever. AC are clearing missing a revenue stream here.
AC loves flying with empty seats especially in J. Why not flog them on board? We know they can (normally) take payments for food on board, so why not seats? Even on long haul flights they have those machines for duty free right?
They could auction them off while waiting at the gate, press your call button instead of raising your hand. Maybe that'd actually get the staff to pay attention to the buttons for once
$70 do I hear $80, $80 can I get $90, going once, going ...
It'd fix YBYL anyway.
AC loves flying with empty seats especially in J. Why not flog them on board? We know they can (normally) take payments for food on board, so why not seats? Even on long haul flights they have those machines for duty free right?
They could auction them off while waiting at the gate, press your call button instead of raising your hand. Maybe that'd actually get the staff to pay attention to the buttons for once
$70 do I hear $80, $80 can I get $90, going once, going ...
It'd fix YBYL anyway.
Feb 25, 2019, 12:39 pm
#1888
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More, less, whatever. AC are clearing missing a revenue stream here.
AC loves flying with empty seats especially in J. Why not flog them on board? We know they can (normally) take payments for food on board, so why not seats? Even on long haul flights they have those machines for duty free right?
They could auction them off while waiting at the gate, press your call button instead of raising your hand. Maybe that'd actually get the staff to pay attention to the buttons for once
$70 do I hear $80, $80 can I get $90, going once, going ...
It'd fix YBYL anyway.
AC loves flying with empty seats especially in J. Why not flog them on board? We know they can (normally) take payments for food on board, so why not seats? Even on long haul flights they have those machines for duty free right?
They could auction them off while waiting at the gate, press your call button instead of raising your hand. Maybe that'd actually get the staff to pay attention to the buttons for once
$70 do I hear $80, $80 can I get $90, going once, going ...
It'd fix YBYL anyway.
Feb 25, 2019, 12:59 pm
#1889
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Because they don't want to give the impression that a seat is only worth $70, $80, $90. They've made their attitude on this very clear. Their belief is that someone like me who will often buy J or an upgradable fare class would start spending $1000 less per ticket, and spending $100 on board. So it wouldn't necessarily be more revenue.
Feb 25, 2019, 5:04 pm
#1890
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Well $70 was just an example. They could do it for $800 or whatever the going LMU rate is 
If they’re willing to accept $x at airport checkin, or even at the gate (never tried that late) why not on board?
On board is obviously going to be after all upgrades and standbys have cleared.
If they’re willing to accept $x at airport checkin, or even at the gate (never tried that late) why not on board?
On board is obviously going to be after all upgrades and standbys have cleared.