Converting Aeroplan to AA & BA via RBC Avion
#31
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: YYZ
Programs: AA LT Plat, AC 25K, Marriott Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,137
Ensure that your Esso and Aeroplan details are correct, and both accounts' balances show up (and neither is stuck in "Updating" state, for example).
#32
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: YYZ
Programs: AA LT Plat, AC 25K, Marriott Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,137
From my experience, Aeroplan -> Esso takes approximately 1-2 days to complete, whereas Esso takes 2-3 days. As such, I estimate the latest you can start this, assuming everything goes to plan, is Saturday.
#33
Join Date: Aug 2011
Programs: Aeroplan, BA Avios, Delta Skymiles, AAdvantage
Posts: 138
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Dave,
Worked for me... You must be doing something wrong. Check the account numbers to see if it matches. transferred 50k last night. Waiting to be credited on Esso. Then Esso rep will do it instantaneously over the phone to RBC. RBC will do it on the spot to AA. Shouldn't take many more days. The only waiting is from Points.com to validate the trade. Probably by tomorrow.
NavCan does has its' restrictions. Canada charges some of the highest YQ charges in nearly half the world. Imagine paying for the 6 and a half airports we have north of the border compared to about x1000 that in the US alone... And I'm not exagerating! I'm just appreciative of low YQ. AA does just that. YQ is an internal charge, within domestic barriers... CA is responsible for the rates, no one else. That and the increase in fuel, security and insurance.
Even domestic YQ charges here are considerably high.
Phil
Worked for me... You must be doing something wrong. Check the account numbers to see if it matches. transferred 50k last night. Waiting to be credited on Esso. Then Esso rep will do it instantaneously over the phone to RBC. RBC will do it on the spot to AA. Shouldn't take many more days. The only waiting is from Points.com to validate the trade. Probably by tomorrow.
NavCan does has its' restrictions. Canada charges some of the highest YQ charges in nearly half the world. Imagine paying for the 6 and a half airports we have north of the border compared to about x1000 that in the US alone... And I'm not exagerating! I'm just appreciative of low YQ. AA does just that. YQ is an internal charge, within domestic barriers... CA is responsible for the rates, no one else. That and the increase in fuel, security and insurance.
Even domestic YQ charges here are considerably high.
Phil
#34
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: YYZ
Programs: AA LT Plat, AC 25K, Marriott Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,137
NavCan does has its' restrictions. Canada charges some of the highest YQ charges in nearly half the world. Imagine paying for the 6 and a half airports we have north of the border compared to about x1000 that in the US alone... And I'm not exagerating! I'm just appreciative of low YQ. AA does just that. YQ is an internal charge, within domestic barriers... CA is responsible for the rates, no one else. That and the increase in fuel, security and insurance.
Even domestic YQ charges here are considerably high.
Phil
Even domestic YQ charges here are considerably high.
Phil
AA does not charge any YQ on awards on it's own metal.
#35
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: YOW
Programs: O6*G, Delta Silver, Air Berlin Silver, Marriott Gold, A|Club Gold, SPG Gold, AMEX Platinum
Posts: 50
thanks
Thanks for the great tip - with the Aeroplan devaluations and the RBC Avion-->BA current 50% promo, I'll definitely be making a transfer.
#37
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: YOW
Programs: O6*G, Delta Silver, Air Berlin Silver, Marriott Gold, A|Club Gold, SPG Gold, AMEX Platinum
Posts: 50
The 50% transfer bonus to BA is on till January 31st (minimum 10,000 points per conversion). With the BA change to Avios, the YQ can be pretty painful, but can be avoided by flying AA or LAN (with some good short-haul redemptions available).
#38
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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Programs: AA LT Plat, AC 25K, Marriott Plat, Hilton Diamond
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I know something similar has been mentioned on FT before for Aeroplan -> BAEC before during the Avion -> BAEC 1.5x promos, but considering the recent and future Aeroplan changes w.r.t. charging YQ, the current Avion -> AAdvantage 1.3x promo (ending soon) and AAdvantage's impending change of their MM program, I thought it was worth repeating.
You can currently transfer Aeroplan -> Esso Extra using points.com, then Esso Extra -> Avion -> AA. In the end, you should get ~9 AAdvantage miles for every 10 Aeroplan miles.
Aeroplan -> Esso Extra has a 15K minimum, 50K maximum. Esso Extra -> Avion has a 2500 minimum, 500 increments, and Avion -> AAdvantage has a 5K minimum.
Not suggesting this is the best decision for everybody, but it is an option to consider.
You can currently transfer Aeroplan -> Esso Extra using points.com, then Esso Extra -> Avion -> AA. In the end, you should get ~9 AAdvantage miles for every 10 Aeroplan miles.
Aeroplan -> Esso Extra has a 15K minimum, 50K maximum. Esso Extra -> Avion has a 2500 minimum, 500 increments, and Avion -> AAdvantage has a 5K minimum.
Not suggesting this is the best decision for everybody, but it is an option to consider.
#39
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: MSY
Posts: 312
Aeroplan-EssoExtra-Avion
- Looks 50k AP converts to about 58k EssoExtra via Points.com. Assuming I'm okay with the conversion rate, is there any other fee I need to pay to make the transfer?
- Looks like 50k is the max transfer per transaction. Is it just a matter of doing it in 4 separate transactions or do I need to wait for X period of time?
- Once the new EssoExtra points are in my account, how do I do the transfer to Avion? I assume it's not via Points.com. Are there any fees related to this transfer?
Thanks in advance for your help!
#40
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: Hilton HHonors, Marriott Bonvoy, IHG, Delta SkyMiles
Posts: 216
Hey all - I'm thinking of moving about 200k Aeroplan to Avion but I'm not familiar with Points.com. Can you help me with a few things:
Thanks in advance for your help!
- Looks 50k AP converts to about 58k EssoExtra via Points.com. Assuming I'm okay with the conversion rate, is there any other fee I need to pay to make the transfer?
- Looks like 50k is the max transfer per transaction. Is it just a matter of doing it in 4 separate transactions or do I need to wait for X period of time?
- Once the new EssoExtra points are in my account, how do I do the transfer to Avion? I assume it's not via Points.com. Are there any fees related to this transfer?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Just go tot he main forums page, search points.com in titles, and you'll see it. I was just looking into it the other day.
#41
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Left
Programs: FT
Posts: 7,285
There's a thread in a forum where points.com is not looked upon too highly. It's not in this forum. I want to say Mileage Buzz. They charge some pretty hefty fees to do things. I would think long and hard about it. At least do the math. You could be looking at $100 or more for some transactions.
Just go tot he main forums page, search points.com in titles, and you'll see it. I was just looking into it the other day.
Just go tot he main forums page, search points.com in titles, and you'll see it. I was just looking into it the other day.
quank, i did successive transactions and moved 120K AP out of another persons account into my avio. did not wait any time just did the transfers all at once.
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convert with points.com into Esso...once in Esso, you use the Esso site to convert to Avion. Just use your Credit Card number as the RBC Rewards Account Number. From AP to Avion takes about 2 days.
Last edited by mkjr; Jan 3, 2013 at 1:09 pm Reason: forgot to answer your other Q's
#42
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: MSY
Posts: 312
quank, i did successive transactions and moved 120K AP out of another persons account into my avio. did not wait any time just did the transfers all at once.
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convert with points.com into Esso...once in Esso, you use the Esso site to convert to Avion. Just use your Credit Card number as the RBC Rewards Account Number. From AP to Avion takes about 2 days.
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convert with points.com into Esso...once in Esso, you use the Esso site to convert to Avion. Just use your Credit Card number as the RBC Rewards Account Number. From AP to Avion takes about 2 days.
- Empty my wife's AP account to my EssoExtra # ~ 50k AP
- Empty my AP account to my EssoExtra # ~ 200k AP
- Then move the converted 250k AP to TBD# EssoExtra
- Then move the TBD# EssoExtra to my Avion account
If this is the case, this seems ideal. I want to book some Avion travel and short a few RBC points. I'm also considering the OP's suggestion to move them to AA points when there is a promo. Moved down south and won't have an opportunity to fly AC anymore.
#43
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Left
Programs: FT
Posts: 7,285
Based on your message, it seems like I could do the following:
If this is the case, this seems ideal. I want to book some Avion travel and short a few RBC points. I'm also considering the OP's suggestion to move them to AA points when there is a promo. Moved down south and won't have an opportunity to fly AC anymore.
- Empty my wife's AP account to my EssoExtra # ~ 50k AP
- Empty my AP account to my EssoExtra # ~ 200k AP
- Then move the converted 250k AP to TBD# EssoExtra
- Then move the TBD# EssoExtra to my Avion account
If this is the case, this seems ideal. I want to book some Avion travel and short a few RBC points. I'm also considering the OP's suggestion to move them to AA points when there is a promo. Moved down south and won't have an opportunity to fly AC anymore.
#44
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: YYZ
Programs: AA LT Plat, AC 25K, Marriott Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,137
Quick tip, having a US address in your points.com account gives you a ~2.5% premium on AP -> Esso conversions.
(As I've posted elsewhere, also gives you a ~15% premium on AP -> US DM conversions).