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Lounge access for minor with status

Old Oct 22, 2011, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Santander
Many provinces legal age is 18 actually, but drinking age is 18 only in 3 of them. Funny thing is that an 18 year old would probably get MLL access anywhere in Canada while AC only serves liquor to 19+ onboard (I think).
There was a thread on this a couple of years ago and the rules are different for domestic vs international. I remember the thread, since many people doubted the poster who gave the correct answer for international flights - it's with parental consent - and the answer was repeated 3 times before it sank in. Having said that, I don't know what the domestic/transborder age is, but it is age related.
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Old Oct 22, 2011, 7:20 pm
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What a terrible letter. Lounge is not a benefit we guarantee so go suck eggs. How about MR jlisi, you are entirely correct. Lounge access is a benefit, though one time access is not guaranteed, sytemtic refusal for access is not what we promised or what you expected... we would love to solve this problem... but we cannot knowingly break the law... if you or anyone can suggest a viable solution we would jump to try it... because we know lounge access is extremely important to frequent flyers like yourself... even giving you money does not solve the problem... can we look at getting you access to other lounges at airports in the interim?
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Old Oct 22, 2011, 8:38 pm
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A little creativity from AC could have gone a long way here. While it was nice of them to write personalize letters, OP is right in saying that the AC "answer" is a non-answer indeed.

AC could have said "We'd luv to have you in the MLLs to your heart's content. Just sign this CYA "contract" which states thou shalt not drink alcohol in our lounges. If you do, your lounge privileges could be suspended with cause for balance of the year."
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Old Oct 22, 2011, 10:32 pm
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While I sympathise with the OP, AC's hands are truly tied on this one.

The solution is to lobby your MPs to change our archaic liquor laws.

Offering the OP $200 seemed a little off to me, almost patronising. AC should just stick to the law that is out of their control, and the OP will unfortunately just have to accept the law of the land. Pretty simple really.
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Old Oct 23, 2011, 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by jlisi984
My reply:
I am pretty sure in the fine prints, it mentions that you are bounded by the laws, so you should've knew what you signed up for when you joined AP. It is very unfortunate for you for sure, but I don't think 99% of the members would like to see bartenders in MLLs or MLL striped of its liquor licence just so they can let a few unaccompanied minors in the MLLs.
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Old Oct 23, 2011, 6:10 pm
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Originally Posted by taupo
While I sympathise with the OP, AC's hands are truly tied on this one.

The solution is to lobby your MPs to change our archaic liquor laws.
Liquor legislation is provincial, OP would have to lobby a lot of politicians. I think AC could have offered more to make up for the OP not being able to access lounges, but I still do not see how AC can ignore liquor laws in the jurisdictions they are in.
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 10:27 pm
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Originally Posted by global_happy_traveller
i'd say give a $40 meal voucher every time they refuse u at the lounge...... (one voucher per flight)

that is sad, giving a $200 eMCO and thinking that can brush jan off...... a little annoyed by their bandage approach

jan keep on fighting until u reach the age of majority
If everyone could opt for $40 in lieu of lounge access, I think its safe to say the lounges would be empty.

It would cost millions to bring in bartenders to the MLL, and people would rightly ..... about it.

AC likely isn't interested in the liability of supervising a minor.

I assume the people flying you into perform could be persuaded to buy you a bowl of chicken soup and a diet coke while your waiting at the airport.
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Old Oct 25, 2011, 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by will5404
AC likely isn't interested in the liability of supervising a minor.
In most jurisdictions AC cannot legally supervise a minor in a licensed establishment, whether their establishment or someone else's.

The jurisdiction in my province use the term legal guardian, which means parent, of-age spouse or legally designated individual. Your older brother, let alone a random airline employee, cannot be your legal guardian, unless the province has legally deemed that person your legal guardian.

AC cannot change the law (generally), what they can do is find a way to make up for the benefit the SE cannot utilize.

Last edited by drwilliams; Oct 25, 2011 at 7:35 am Reason: Clarification
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Old Oct 25, 2011, 9:58 am
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They should give you a F&B voucher like some others have said. Or maybe it would be worth it to be an UM, pay the fee, and have the person tasked with supervising you escort you into the lounge? Maybe you can negotiate for them to waive the fee as SE? http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelin...rs/minors.html
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Old Oct 25, 2011, 10:38 am
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A disappointing answer with disappointing compensation.

Terrible to think that all that work building your position was for $200, when annual lounge memberships with priority pass or with other credit card companies are $500+.

Keep fighting - only a few years till 19.
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Old Oct 25, 2011, 11:22 am
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Is there any loop hole in the law for staff under the legal drinking age?

AC could hire you for a 1$ to perform in the lounge.

Good luck
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Old Oct 25, 2011, 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by fly-yul
Is there any loop hole in the law for staff under the legal drinking age?

AC could hire you for a 1$ to perform in the lounge.

Good luck
There is a waiver for underage employees, but do we not think AC has enough employee issues?
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Old Oct 25, 2011, 2:38 pm
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Originally Posted by worldtraveller73
A disappointing answer with disappointing compensation.

Terrible to think that all that work building your position was for $200, when annual lounge memberships with priority pass or with other credit card companies are $500+.

Keep fighting - only a few years till 19.
OP can still use his benefit at lounges that have manned bars, so not completely useless. AC sells MLL memberships and they start from $365. They should have used that as a ballpark for the credit voucher, and sent him one each year until 19 as a goodwill gesture.
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Old Oct 30, 2011, 9:34 pm
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Listening to CBC radio today; a very pleasant concert, but the announcer was hopeless - on and on she went about the biography of the performer, with nary a mention of his being excluded from the MLL on his travels. Like any of the other details matter.
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Old Oct 31, 2011, 7:50 am
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Originally Posted by SYM
Listening to CBC radio today; a very pleasant concert, but the announcer was hopeless - on and on she went about the biography of the performer, with nary a mention of his being excluded from the MLL on his travels. Like any of the other details matter.
too funny.
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