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Old May 30, 2013, 9:55 pm
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New List of Mini-RTW 2.0 version after Oct 29th, 2014 "enhancement" (i.e. less MPM)

FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement&quot

INTRO

This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.

Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.

INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS

What is the "Mini-RTW"?

The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.

In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:

•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015

So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:

NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC

You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:

NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC

Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.


How many miles is this going to cost me?

See the Award Travel chart here.

From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First

From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First

...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).

Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?

You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.

So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?

There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.

Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums

This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
1) Your itinerary must be within 5% of the total "Maximum Permitted Mileage" (MPM) for the route from the origin to the destination. Even though you are stopping in three cities by using your two stopovers and a final destination, you can define the destination as the stop city furthest away from the origin. Although certain flyers have gotten away with telling an inattentive phone rep that their final destination / "turnaround city" is one of their layover cities to increase their MPM, this does not always work. Sticking with one of your three stop cities is a safe bet.

MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.

To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.

TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
2) If you do elect to use an open jaw instead of one of your stopovers, you must schedule the open jaw so that it is in the same "IATA zone" as either the origin or the destination city. So if you are going from NY to Japan to Europe and back to NY, the open jaw cannot be scheduled in Europe, since it is neither the origin zone or the destination zone. The open jaw also cannot be a larger distance than any two legs you are actually flying. In case you are wondering, IATA zones are as follows:

IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.

Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.

3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.

4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.


Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?

No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).


How do I book this?

Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.


What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.

Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.


What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?

$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.


How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!

Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.

The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.

One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by newbie elite
Sorry if I asked this before and I will post the result when I eventually book the trip but assuming that everything is within MPM5 each way or that there is a published routing, this should be doable

YYZ-WAW (Open Jaw)
ZRH-IST(Stop)-YYZ

Assuming IST is point of turn, that gives me 6444 MPM5. YYZ-WAW is well under that, ZRH-IST-YYZ is 6205 according to great circle, and is TK published route.

Think this is doable for 105K in J, will let you know results, this is for summer 2015 so will start looking soon. Believe LO loads about 330 days and do not know about TK...
Unfortunately, this is unlikely to be possible, because you're allowed an open jaw at origin or destination - so unless the agent misses it, you're doing it mid-itinerary. You'd be allowed to make your own way to IST, but theoretically not between WAW and ZRH. You can try, but it's unlikely to work if they follow the rules.
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by lowside67
Looks great I think it's adding a lot of value this way. Is all the data entry done? It looks like when I search for several of my own routings that I have previously posted, I am not finding them.

Cheers
Your trips:
Searched on NBO:
Trip 411 - only put in the outbound as that was all that was booked
Trip 420 - ditto
Trip 434
Searched on HAN & SFO:
Trip 484

I was missing your trip at posting 2229 - not surprising that I missed one or two

It will be added ... if you have the year/month booked, airlines and aircraft I'll add that too.

In theory all the trips are added. I've skipped one or two that were labelled as "there's no way that should have been ticketed" (wasn't sure if I should publish ones that are just plain wrong) and I've included one or two that weren't ticketed (I'm not pulling them out as I want to keep the trip numbers - but the links back to the forum give the back story).

The data that is missing is the data not supplied (some people have been PMing me the data ... posting is good too) and I'm trying to add the destination zones. The dest zones are the hard part as I have to parse through all the data ... and the answer isn't always obvious, especially when the points weren't provided (I will likely need help for the ones I miss). Having origin and destination zones will allow for searches based on those and providing the current point cost in addition to the points when booked.
I should be able to add a "country search" like the "airport search" quite easily as the data is already in the database (a city search isn't worthwhile ... not enough with multiple airports ... country should be fine).
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 2:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Unfortunately, this is unlikely to be possible, because you're allowed an open jaw at origin or destination - so unless the agent misses it, you're doing it mid-itinerary. You'd be allowed to make your own way to IST, but theoretically not between WAW and ZRH. You can try, but it's unlikely to work if they follow the rules.
Thanks, I guess I could make it work by making my own way from WAW to IST (instead of ZRH).
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 2:49 pm
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Originally Posted by newbie elite
Thanks, I guess I could make it work by making my own way from WAW to IST (instead of ZRH).
Try booking it anyway, but be prepared if it fails.
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 3:15 pm
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Originally Posted by IamI
....... In theory all the trips are added. .......
Its not my trip, but I was looking for post 1410, Jan 29, 2014 and your data base does not support this trip. Even used YVR , SYD, other cities I remembered, to sort and it did not work. Had to look through the thread the old fashion way to find it.

Also the trip #s are the sequential ordering of data on your site, it does not reference the thread's posting number or page. Would it be useful to include the post number in your work?

Went back to ensure I was right and realized that the thread this trip was posted is:
Please list your AP Taxes and SURCHARGES on AP reward tickets

It looks like some people post their trips in here and not in the other thread. Any possibilities to include these ones also?

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Old Mar 12, 2014, 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by 1Newflyer
Its not my trip, but I was looking for post 1410, Jan 29, 2014 and your data base does not support this trip. Even used YVR , SYD, other cities I remembered, to sort and it did not work. Had to look through the thread the old fashion way to find it.

Also the trip #s are the sequential ordering of data on your site, it does not reference the thread's posting number or page. Would it be useful to include the post number in your work?
That doesn't match with the 1410 I found :
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19093105-post1410.html

and I can't see an Jan 29 posting ... is there another forum that you're getting this from?

The posting numbers are there if you hover over the links ... not the most convenient and if need be I can add them but I don't want to complicate the data presented too much.

The trip numbers are in the sequential order entered into the forum (perhaps an exception or two) - unless were at cross purposes as far as forums go!
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 3:36 pm
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Indeed, a different thread. I do see value in your work. Great job.
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by IamI
That doesn't match with the 1410 I found :
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19093105-post1410.html

and I can't see an Jan 29 posting ... is there another forum that you're getting this from?

The posting numbers are there if you hover over the links ... not the most convenient and if need be I can add them but I don't want to complicate the data presented too much.

The trip numbers are in the sequential order entered into the forum (perhaps an exception or two) - unless were at cross purposes as far as forums go!
Don't forget the "cost" part is only valid post-YQ-apocalypse... all previous costs were cheap, cheap, cheap
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 3:45 pm
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Originally Posted by IamI
The trip numbers are in the sequential order entered into the forum (perhaps an exception or two) - unless were at cross purposes as far as forums go!
Problem found ... you're looking in:
Please list your AP Taxes and SURCHARGES on AP reward tickets

Data I have loaded are the ~500 trips from:
FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries

Different forums ...
I don't mind hosting both sets of data on two separate pages but I'm going to clean up the data I've got at the moment and get the right search info going first. Another large harvest of data (if I have the time) will be better when I know exactly what data I need.
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 3:52 pm
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I think the other thread is actually almost more important as it provides the ever important YQ information. I dont think you should separate them on your page regardless of which source the info is from though, it's much better to make the pool as big as possible.

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Old Mar 12, 2014, 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by lowside67
I think the other thread is actually almost more important as it provides the ever important YQ information. I dont think you should separate them on your page regardless of which source the info is from though, it's much better to make the pool as big as possible.

Mark
I'll look at the data to see how to incorporate the YQ in a sensible manner ... data collection will have to wait until I sort that out or it will be too inefficient.

The mix of data will have to see ... I might find ways to mix and match if the data is marked up the right way.
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Old Mar 12, 2014, 4:28 pm
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The list is awesome. Search functionality is even better. Thanks!
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Old Mar 13, 2014, 9:28 am
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Not sure where to ask, but want to see others' experience

For 2013-booked Mini-RTW (125K in J), what changes would trigger the new 150K miles requirement?
I think people said "changing dates" won't trigger?
but would changing destination (and dates) trigger 150K?

e.g. MUC hotels is way too $$ during Oktoberfest
originally PVG-NRT-IST-MUC, stop, MUC-ZRH-YUL-YYZ --> LH and NH segments were the big YQ
new PVG-BKK-ZRH, stop, ZRH-IST-YYZ --> more days, and possibly less YQ, +$90 change fee

Sadly there hasn't been a schedule change YET... or anything to miss a connection. Wonder if a <60 minute change counts as "schedule change" to call in to change for free

Thanks
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Old Mar 13, 2014, 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by jerryhung
For 2013-booked Mini-RTW (125K in J), what changes would trigger the new 150K miles requirement?
I think people said "changing dates" won't trigger?
but would changing destination (and dates) trigger 150K?
You will only trigger the 150k if you change the destination ZONE as far as I know. IE if your point of turn is PVG right now and you change it to PEK and don't even fly to PVG, I don't expect there would be any issue. But if you changed your point of turn to somewhere in Asia 2, you'd see it.

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Old Mar 13, 2014, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by lowside67
You will only trigger the 150k if you change the destination ZONE as far as I know. IE if your point of turn is PVG right now and you change it to PEK and don't even fly to PVG, I don't expect there would be any issue. But if you changed your point of turn to somewhere in Asia 2, you'd see it.

Mark
Correct - same zone and cabin = no change.
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