May 30, 2013, 9:55 pm
Last edit by: jerryhung
New List of Mini-RTW 2.0 version after Oct 29th, 2014 "enhancement" (i.e. less MPM)
FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement"
INTRO
This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.
Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.
INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS
What is the "Mini-RTW"?
The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.
In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:
•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015
So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:
NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC
You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:
NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC
Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.
How many miles is this going to cost me?
See the Award Travel chart here.
From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First
From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First
...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).
Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?
You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.
So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?
There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.
Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums
This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
2) If you do elect to use an open jaw instead of one of your stopovers, you must schedule the open jaw so that it is in the same "IATA zone" as either the origin or the destination city. So if you are going from NY to Japan to Europe and back to NY, the open jaw cannot be scheduled in Europe, since it is neither the origin zone or the destination zone. The open jaw also cannot be a larger distance than any two legs you are actually flying. In case you are wondering, IATA zones are as follows:
IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.
Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.
3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.
4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.
Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?
No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).
How do I book this?
Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.
What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.
Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.
What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?
$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.
How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!
Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.
The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.
One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement"
INTRO
This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.
Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.
INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS
What is the "Mini-RTW"?
The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.
In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:
•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015
So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:
NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC
You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:
NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC
Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.
How many miles is this going to cost me?
See the Award Travel chart here.
From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First
From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First
...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).
Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?
You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.
So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?
There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.
Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums
This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
1) Your itinerary must be within 5% of the total "Maximum Permitted Mileage" (MPM) for the route from the origin to the destination. Even though you are stopping in three cities by using your two stopovers and a final destination, you can define the destination as the stop city furthest away from the origin. Although certain flyers have gotten away with telling an inattentive phone rep that their final destination / "turnaround city" is one of their layover cities to increase their MPM, this does not always work. Sticking with one of your three stop cities is a safe bet.
MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.
To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.
TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.
To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.
TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.
Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.
3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.
4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.
Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?
No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).
How do I book this?
Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.
What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.
Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.
What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?
$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.
How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!
Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.
The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.
One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
FAQ: The Complete Newbie Guide/FAQ to the Air Canada Aeroplan Mini-RTW
Jul 31, 2018, 10:39 am
#1846
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 19
Your outbound looks good. You'll need to change your inbound as you can't transit TPE twice. You could do: MLE-SIN-BKK-HKG-TPE-YYZ (or SIN-HKG non stop if you can find it), or even MLE-SIN-TPE-HKG-ICN-LAX-YYZ would work...this is getting close to maximum mileage. But the MPM is pretty generour, so you shouldn't have troubles finding options.
Aug 3, 2018, 11:14 am
#1847
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC, UA
Posts: 221
I've been saving Aeroplan for years. I am at 267,000 and looking to book 3 tickets YYZ-AKL in 2019. I would like to do TPAC and TATL. If the MPM for YYZ-AKL is 15,068, how is it even possilbe to fly TATL? Something relatively simple with only 1 stopover puts me over that MPM.
Aug 3, 2018, 11:24 am
#1848
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: YXS
Posts: 160
I've got some YQ confusion.
I'm looking at booking a mini-RTW, and part of the return would be CUZ-BOG-YYZ (yes, I know, Rouge) - YVR in J. The actual destination is JNB, and CUZ would be one of the stops. If I search BOG-YVR, it shows $15 YQ, which is just for the domestic AC segment YYZ-YVR. If I search CUZ-BOG, Avianca doesn't charge YQ. But when I search CUZ-YVR with the flights via BOG and YYZ, the YQ somehow goes up to $229, even though for flights from LIM to YVR it doesn't.
Does anybody know why it does that, and if Aeroplan would charge the $229 or just go segment by segment (i.e., $15)? Thanks!
I'm looking at booking a mini-RTW, and part of the return would be CUZ-BOG-YYZ (yes, I know, Rouge) - YVR in J. The actual destination is JNB, and CUZ would be one of the stops. If I search BOG-YVR, it shows $15 YQ, which is just for the domestic AC segment YYZ-YVR. If I search CUZ-BOG, Avianca doesn't charge YQ. But when I search CUZ-YVR with the flights via BOG and YYZ, the YQ somehow goes up to $229, even though for flights from LIM to YVR it doesn't.
Does anybody know why it does that, and if Aeroplan would charge the $229 or just go segment by segment (i.e., $15)? Thanks!
Aug 3, 2018, 11:38 am
#1849
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,386
I've been saving Aeroplan for years. I am at 267,000 and looking to book 3 tickets YYZ-AKL in 2019. I would like to do TPAC and TATL. If the MPM for YYZ-AKL is 15,068, how is it even possilbe to fly TATL? Something relatively simple with only 1 stopover puts me over that MPM.
Aug 3, 2018, 1:45 pm
#1850
Join Date: May 2017
Location: YEG, SFO, VCA, JR JY-13
Programs: hahaha
Posts: 919
I've been saving Aeroplan for years. I am at 267,000 and looking to book 3 tickets YYZ-AKL in 2019. I would like to do TPAC and TATL. If the MPM for YYZ-AKL is 15,068, how is it even possilbe to fly TATL? Something relatively simple with only 1 stopover puts me over that MPM.
Here's my tentative from YHZ, MPM is 18472
Great Circle Mapper
The skeleton is just EZE, JNB, and PER, so if you really wanted AKL, you can make it happen, I bet
Aug 5, 2018, 10:34 am
#1852
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 486
Apologies for the (long) newbie questions, but hey, it's the newbie thread.
I'm looking to transfer hotel points for a trip from Europe to TYO and LAX and I've narrowed it down to two options: VS where I would have enough for EU-TYO-LAX-TYO-EU in J or a mini-RTW with AP limited to 150k. I'm intrigued by the mini-RTW and can see myself having a lot of fun maximizing it, but before I decide I want to make sure that what I want to do is actually possible.
I've been looking at the basic options (i.e. no creative routings) to meet my criteria today but I'm left somewhat confused by the outcome.
Ideally, I'd like to my origin to be in Europe 1, but Europe 2 is an option if needed. Based on my searches on the AP site and the Javascript trick it appears that Europe 1 to TYO would not give me enough MPM to include LAX as a stopover, so I reversed them (LAX destination, TYO stopover).
LAX is given a more generous MPM from Europe and the actual distance is also higher than TYO, so I thought I had found a way to include both cities. For instance:
1. BRI-LAX MPM 11637 with BRI-NRT-LAX as 11501 on GCM -> 136 error margin;
2. CTA-LAX MPM 11929 with CTA-NRT-LAX as 11750 on GCM -> 179 error margin;
3. IST-LAX MPM 11387 with IST-NRT-LAX as 11054 on GCM -> 333 error margin;
4. NAP-LAX MPM 11562 with NAP-NRT-LAX as 11600 on GCMP -> 38 short.
First and foremost, are these margins big enough to compensate the differences between GCM distances and AP distances?
Secondly, is option 4 actually an option being 38 miles over MPM? Are they still somewhat flexible?
And finally, here's the part that confuses me:
5. IST-LAX-VIE-IST MPM 11387 - POT: LAX - cost: 115k in J
6. IST-LAX-NRT-IST MPM 11387 - POT: LAX - cost 150k in J.
So the mileage goes up to 150k because Asia 1 is more expensive than US/Can, but does NRT then also become your destination and LAX the stopover?
With the Java commands I'm still getting LAX as POT and an MPM of 11387 with itinerary 6, however it seems odd to be charged the mileage for a stopover instead of the destination.
I would appreciate your insight!
If including NRT automatically makes NRT my destination instead of a stopover because it costs more miles then I'm back to NRT's MPM, which is insufficient to reach LAX. It's weird that TYO is less far in actual distance and MPM than LAX, yet TYO is more expensive in miles. I don't mind spending the 150k for TYO but it only makes sense if I can still reach LAX, as well.
I'm looking to transfer hotel points for a trip from Europe to TYO and LAX and I've narrowed it down to two options: VS where I would have enough for EU-TYO-LAX-TYO-EU in J or a mini-RTW with AP limited to 150k. I'm intrigued by the mini-RTW and can see myself having a lot of fun maximizing it, but before I decide I want to make sure that what I want to do is actually possible.
I've been looking at the basic options (i.e. no creative routings) to meet my criteria today but I'm left somewhat confused by the outcome.
Ideally, I'd like to my origin to be in Europe 1, but Europe 2 is an option if needed. Based on my searches on the AP site and the Javascript trick it appears that Europe 1 to TYO would not give me enough MPM to include LAX as a stopover, so I reversed them (LAX destination, TYO stopover).
LAX is given a more generous MPM from Europe and the actual distance is also higher than TYO, so I thought I had found a way to include both cities. For instance:
1. BRI-LAX MPM 11637 with BRI-NRT-LAX as 11501 on GCM -> 136 error margin;
2. CTA-LAX MPM 11929 with CTA-NRT-LAX as 11750 on GCM -> 179 error margin;
3. IST-LAX MPM 11387 with IST-NRT-LAX as 11054 on GCM -> 333 error margin;
4. NAP-LAX MPM 11562 with NAP-NRT-LAX as 11600 on GCMP -> 38 short.
First and foremost, are these margins big enough to compensate the differences between GCM distances and AP distances?
Secondly, is option 4 actually an option being 38 miles over MPM? Are they still somewhat flexible?
And finally, here's the part that confuses me:
5. IST-LAX-VIE-IST MPM 11387 - POT: LAX - cost: 115k in J
6. IST-LAX-NRT-IST MPM 11387 - POT: LAX - cost 150k in J.
So the mileage goes up to 150k because Asia 1 is more expensive than US/Can, but does NRT then also become your destination and LAX the stopover?
With the Java commands I'm still getting LAX as POT and an MPM of 11387 with itinerary 6, however it seems odd to be charged the mileage for a stopover instead of the destination.
I would appreciate your insight!
If including NRT automatically makes NRT my destination instead of a stopover because it costs more miles then I'm back to NRT's MPM, which is insufficient to reach LAX. It's weird that TYO is less far in actual distance and MPM than LAX, yet TYO is more expensive in miles. I don't mind spending the 150k for TYO but it only makes sense if I can still reach LAX, as well.
Aug 8, 2018, 8:44 pm
#1853
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 112
Just booked for 215k + $500 /pp and an 1h30m on the phone with an extremely helpful and patient rep. This is my first multi-city reward redemption like this, how can I ensure my travel partner and I sit close to each other. We used separate accounts to book. Should I contract [email?] the airlines directly?
YYZ > ORD - UA Y
ORD > HND - NH F
HND > KIX - NH Y
KIX > BKK - TK F
BKK > SGN - TK J
-Stop.
SGN > SIN - SQ J
SIN > DPS - SQ J
-Turn.
DPS > BKK - TK J
BKK > KIX - TK F
KIX > HND - NH Y
-Stop.
HND > ORD - NH F
ORD > YYZ - UA Y
YYZ > ORD - UA Y
ORD > HND - NH F
HND > KIX - NH Y
KIX > BKK - TK F
BKK > SGN - TK J
-Stop.
SGN > SIN - SQ J
SIN > DPS - SQ J
-Turn.
DPS > BKK - TK J
BKK > KIX - TK F
KIX > HND - NH Y
-Stop.
HND > ORD - NH F
ORD > YYZ - UA Y
Aug 9, 2018, 3:19 pm
#1854
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,740
Just booked for 215k + $500 /pp and an 1h30m on the phone with an extremely helpful and patient rep. This is my first multi-city reward redemption like this, how can I ensure my travel partner and I sit close to each other. We used separate accounts to book. Should I contract [email?] the airlines directly?
YYZ > ORD - UA Y
ORD > HND - NH F
HND > KIX - NH Y
KIX > BKK - TK F
BKK > SGN - TK J
-Stop.
SGN > SIN - SQ J
SIN > DPS - SQ J
-Turn.
DPS > BKK - TK J
BKK > KIX - TK F
KIX > HND - NH Y
-Stop.
HND > ORD - NH F
ORD > YYZ - UA Y
YYZ > ORD - UA Y
ORD > HND - NH F
HND > KIX - NH Y
KIX > BKK - TK F
BKK > SGN - TK J
-Stop.
SGN > SIN - SQ J
SIN > DPS - SQ J
-Turn.
DPS > BKK - TK J
BKK > KIX - TK F
KIX > HND - NH Y
-Stop.
HND > ORD - NH F
ORD > YYZ - UA Y
Aug 10, 2018, 7:14 am
#1856
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: YYZ
Programs: All Accor Plat, 1865 Voyager, AE E35K, HH Gold,Hyatt, Hrtz Gold, Marriott Gold, NEXUS
Posts: 1,669
Just booked for 215k + $500 /pp and an 1h30m on the phone with an extremely helpful and patient rep. This is my first multi-city reward redemption like this, how can I ensure my travel partner and I sit close to each other. We used separate accounts to book. Should I contract [email?] the airlines directly?
Last edited by allbrosca; Aug 13, 2018 at 7:01 am
Aug 13, 2018, 3:01 pm
#1857
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: YVR
Programs: Bottom feeder Star Gold
Posts: 2,652
If you log in to your Aeroplan account and look at your booking, you should be able to get the locator number and a link under book your seats. Alternatively, you should be able to either phone Aeroplan and get the locator number or booking code for each airline on your route and then go to each airline's website to try and book seats under manage your booking or get a local 1 800 number and call in to do it OR call in to each airline and they can give you the locator number for future reference and book your seats.
Aug 14, 2018, 1:06 am
#1858
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,302
It's not really unexpected. They all use Amadeus.
My current mini rtw has 3 references. AC, UA, and Amadeus (OZ NH CX TG LH).
I was able to get seats for every airline online.
My current mini rtw has 3 references. AC, UA, and Amadeus (OZ NH CX TG LH).
I was able to get seats for every airline online.
Aug 14, 2018, 1:14 am
#1859
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,386
Has anyone done a J RTW that included CA Y segments because their domestic first is coded into Y&F with aeroplan, for no apparent reason? (e.g. UA codes them as the business class they really are, same as UA domestic first is business)? If so, are there any upgrade chances because technically you're on a J ticket? Most flights are only like 1-2 hours short thankfully, but still a bit of a bummer...
Aug 25, 2018, 12:15 pm
#1860
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Kamloops, BC
Programs: Air Canada-Aeroplan, NEXUS, E50K, Marriott Bonvoy Gold Elite
Posts: 344
This is an awesome reward you've built. I recently did ANA F HND-JFK and TG BKK-KIX. You will love it. Don't forget to try the 18 yo Hibiki on ANA. To select seats if I recall for ANA you can just use the reference number and select. For TG I couldn't do that so you would need to call in. SQ not sure tbh, could also try their website. If all else fails calling these airlines with a First/Biz reward shouldn't be too painful.